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legaleagle 08 May 15 10.52am
Quote The Sash at 08 May 2015 9.57am Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 9.47am Quote gbox82 at 08 May 2015 9.24am Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 8.30am Quote chris123 at 08 May 2015 7.39am Quote Johnny Eagles at 08 May 2015 7.33am I think I am now officially an opponent of FPTP. 1. Voting in a 20 year old student over a former foreign secretary makes a joke of the constituency link. 2. UKIP gets 10% of the vote but only 1 seat. It is untenable. Er we had a plebiscite on this in 2011 and a two thirds majority voted for no change. Well I for one have changed my mind. I used to like FPTP. If we had a referendum tomorrow - on PR, AV is not good enough - then I would support it. Greens and UKIP get over 20% of the vote between them. 2 seats out of 650. The Essenpee get a quarter as many votes but 55 seats. It's untenable. If Green and UKIP did get 20% as you say (seems slightly higher than the figures I saw earlier) then that still means that ~80% voted for Conservatives, Labour and SNP - most of which would vote to keep FPTP if we have a referendum? As of 9.45am: UKIP votes: 3,765,863 (12.6%) Green votes: 1,121,363 (3.7%) Total: 4,887,226 (16.3%) Hell will freeze over before Cameron lets any discussion of PR get anywhere so it's probably pointless to even discuss it. PR never suits the mainstream, well supported, which I guess after the ass raping Labour got in Scotland now means it the just the Tories who would rail against it. and the SNP... I don't like the idea of a national list of people for each party and then you get elected by going down the list in order depending on proportion of the national vote.The final step in the precise identity of and your liking/disliking for the individual representing you going down the plughole.I went to my local MP a few years ago about something.Someone I was vehemently opposed to politically.To be fair,he really put himself out and at no time enquired about my political preferences. But,I think Single Transferable Vote within constituencies would be good and would change the existing picture somewhat.Plenty of Tory,Labour and SNP seats would likely have had a different outcome under that scenario,far more reflective of general sentiment within a constituency.The idea of voting for what you don't want is as legitimate as voting for what you do want. Edited by legaleagle (08 May 2015 10.53am)
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I think I am now officially an opponent of FPTP.

1. Voting in a 20 year old student over a former foreign secretary makes a joke of the constituency link.

2. UKIP gets 10% of the vote but only 1 seat.

It is untenable.

Er we had a plebiscite on this in 2011 and a two thirds majority voted for no change.

Well I for one have changed my mind. I used to like FPTP.

If we had a referendum tomorrow - on PR, AV is not good enough - then I would support it.

Greens and UKIP get over 20% of the vote between them. 2 seats out of 650.

The Essenpee get a quarter as many votes but 55 seats.

It's untenable.

If Green and UKIP did get 20% as you say (seems slightly higher than the figures I saw earlier) then that still means that ~80% voted for Conservatives, Labour and SNP - most of which would vote to keep FPTP if we have a referendum?

As of 9.45am:

UKIP votes: 3,765,863 (12.6%)
Green votes: 1,121,363 (3.7%)

Total: 4,887,226 (16.3%)

Hell will freeze over before Cameron lets any discussion of PR get anywhere so it's probably pointless to even discuss it.

PR never suits the mainstream, well supported, which I guess after the ass raping Labour got in Scotland now means it the just the Tories who would rail against it.

and the SNP...

I don't like the idea of a national list of people for each party and then you get elected by going down the list in order depending on proportion of the national vote.The final step in the precise identity of and your liking/disliking for the individual representing you going down the plughole.I went to my local MP a few years ago about something.Someone I was vehemently opposed to politically.To be fair,he really put himself out and at no time enquired about my political preferences.

But,I think Single Transferable Vote within constituencies would be good and would change the existing picture somewhat.Plenty of Tory,Labour and SNP seats would likely have had a different outcome under that scenario,far more reflective of general sentiment within a constituency.The idea of voting for what you don't want is as legitimate as voting for what you do want.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 08 May 15 11.07am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again. You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote. Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be.

I might have to take up smoking again.

You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote.

Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 08 May 15 11.14am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again. You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote. Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it? Ah the 'you cant moan if you didn't vote' chestnut...actually yes you can, if no single party has enough about them to engage you enough to part with it then absolutely yes you can. Different kettle of fish if you didn't do it because it clashed with 'Wheeler Dealers' then there's a point Edited by The Sash (08 May 2015 11.15am) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 08 May 15 11.14am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am

Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am

Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be.

I might have to take up smoking again.

You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote.

Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it?

Ah the 'you cant moan if you didn't vote' chestnut...actually yes you can, if no single party has enough about them to engage you enough to part with it then absolutely yes you can.

Different kettle of fish if you didn't do it because it clashed with 'Wheeler Dealers' then there's a point

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matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 11.14am
Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again. You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote. Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it? I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 08 May 15 11.14am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am

Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am

Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be.

I might have to take up smoking again.

You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote.

Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it?

I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate.

You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 08 May 15 11.16am
Is anyone else enjoying the sight of ousted MP's making solemn speeches about their fate whilst a Monster Raving Loony Candidate stands behind them grinning, in a silly hat? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 08 May 15 11.16am

Is anyone else enjoying the sight of ousted MP's making solemn speeches about their fate whilst a Monster Raving Loony Candidate stands behind them grinning, in a silly hat?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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serial thriller The Promised Land 08 May 15 11.21am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.14am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be. I might have to take up smoking again. You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote. Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it? I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate. You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result. I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win. How are you coping with UKIP's failure? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 08 May 15 11.21am

Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.14am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 11.07am

Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 6.02am

Quote serial thriller at 08 May 2015 12.09am

Unbelievably depressing. Even as someone who didn't vote, I can appreciate how terrible a Tory/UKIP/DUP coalition would be.

I might have to take up smoking again.

You have no grounds to complain if you did t vote.

Why, do you think my vote could've swayed it?

I don't see how you can argue outcome if you don't participate.

You chose to opt out and then bemoan the result.

I spoiled my ballot paper in a safe seat, which I think is just as actively participant as voting for someone who clearly won't win.

How are you coping with UKIP's failure?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 08 May 15 11.25am
Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.16am Is anyone else enjoying the sight of ousted MP's making solemn speeches about their fate whilst a Monster Raving Loony Candidate stands behind them grinning, in a silly hat? I couldn't tell which was from the Loony party and which was the leader of Labour? "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 08 May 15 11.25am

Quote matt_himself at 08 May 2015 11.16am

Is anyone else enjoying the sight of ousted MP's making solemn speeches about their fate whilst a Monster Raving Loony Candidate stands behind them grinning, in a silly hat?

I couldn't tell which was from the Loony party and which was the leader of Labour?

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Catfish Burgess Hill 08 May 15 11.31am
Quote Catfish at 08 May 2015 8.11am Quote Catfish at 04 Apr 2015 9.50pm I predict that not only will the Tories be the largest party they might just get a majority. If not, they will go for a minority's govt rather than go I to coalition again and dare the opposition to vote down the Queesn's Speech. Going further, I think they will put something in the Queen's Speech to make it impossible for Labour to stand aloof - such as new union restrictions. Can I refer the Hon Gentlemen to the above prediction. Smug mode engaged. Did I mention that I predicted it? Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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I predict that not only will the Tories be the largest party they might just get a majority. If not, they will go for a minority's govt rather than go I to coalition again and dare the opposition to vote down the Queesn's Speech. Going further, I think they will put something in the Queen's Speech to make it impossible for Labour to stand aloof - such as new union restrictions.

Can I refer the Hon Gentlemen to the above prediction.
Smug mode engaged.

Did I mention that I predicted it?

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 08 May 15 11.34am
Think DC should send NS a thank you card as am sure fear of SNP (exaggerated by Tories) having any part of HMG scared many voters to support Tories - to prevent that possibility - though they would otherwise have voted elsewhere. NS stated she wanted to prevent another Tory government -when she actually ensured it ! As for PR of course we should have a constituency based version but no government with even the slimmest majority would countenance it. Like asking turkeys to vote for an early Christmas!
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Banstead Surrey 08 May 15 11.34am

Think DC should send NS a thank you card as am sure fear of SNP (exaggerated by Tories) having any part of HMG scared many voters to support Tories - to prevent that possibility - though they would otherwise have voted elsewhere. NS stated she wanted to prevent another Tory government -when she actually ensured it !

As for PR of course we should have a constituency based version but no government with even the slimmest majority would countenance it. Like asking turkeys to vote for an early Christmas!

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Hoof Hearted 08 May 15 11.41am
Quote bubble wrap at 07 May 2015 7.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 May 2015 2.54pm I'll be staying up for 3 reasons... 1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns. 2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat. 3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll! Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment. EFA I do now!
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I'll be staying up for 3 reasons...

1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns.

2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat.

3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll!

Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment.

EFA

I do now!

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 08 May 15 11.43am
Quote Catfish at 08 May 2015 11.31am Quote Catfish at 08 May 2015 8.11am Quote Catfish at 04 Apr 2015 9.50pm I predict that not only will the Tories be the largest party they might just get a majority. If not, they will go for a minority's govt rather than go I to coalition again and dare the opposition to vote down the Queesn's Speech. Going further, I think they will put something in the Queen's Speech to make it impossible for Labour to stand aloof - such as new union restrictions. Can I refer the Hon Gentlemen to the above prediction. Smug mode engaged. Did I mention that I predicted it? Who's first scorer at Selhurst on Saturday then? Souaré? The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Can I refer the Hon Gentlemen to the above prediction.
Smug mode engaged.

Did I mention that I predicted it?

Who's first scorer at Selhurst on Saturday then? Souaré?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 May 15 11.43am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 May 2015 11.41am Quote bubble wrap at 07 May 2015 7.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 07 May 2015 2.54pm I'll be staying up for 3 reasons... 1. Somebody broke into my summerhouse on Monday night and nicked my Cider/Wine and I'm ready with a baseball bat if the little fcuker returns. 2. I want to be one of the first to see Nick Clegg lose his seat. 3. Sophie Raworth is hosting the coverage.... Grllllll! Summerhouse? I thought you lived in a stable environment. EFA I do now! Very Good Hoof. Like Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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