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 Cucking Funt  Clapham on the Back 17 Jan 03 11.14am |
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Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 11:01am
sorry cucking, i thought the kid was shot in the back, i don't really know why he felt his life was in danger - was fred armed? why was his back to tony? burglary is a violent crime in that it's violent towards a persons property... but not them, except very rarely. Your relative would not be able to complain if they were fred would they? they'd be dead. Tony Martin would be missed by his family of course, but not forever. Edited by Bexter (17 Jan 2003 11:01am) The gun was fired into the blackness of night. Tony martin had no idea whether the kid was armed or not. Given the fact that carrying arms seems to be de rigeur for many criminals nowadays, I, for one, would support him in making that assumption. What is beyond dispute, however, is that Tony Martin was absolutely terrified, having already been the victim of several other burglaries. Your contention that burglary seldom involves violence is, at best, debatable. The burglar takes the risk when he enters premises unlawfully. If you are acting unlawfully, it can be argued that you forfeit your right to the protection of the law. You can't disrespect it on one hand and then expect it to protect you on the other.
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 the despotic banana  Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 17 Jan 03 11.19am |
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The reason the parole board didn't let Tony Martin out, I've just read, is that he's "a danger to burglars." This seems a bit of a harsh reason for keeping someone incarcerated for a good few years of his life.
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| matt_the_eagle Tulse Thrill 17 Jan 03 11.25am |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Jan 2003 11:14am
Quote Bexter at 17 Jan 2003 11:01am
sorry cucking, i thought the kid was shot in the back, i don't really know why he felt his life was in danger - was fred armed? why was his back to tony? burglary is a violent crime in that it's violent towards a persons property... but not them, except very rarely. Your relative would not be able to complain if they were fred would they? they'd be dead. Tony Martin would be missed by his family of course, but not forever. Edited by Bexter (17 Jan 2003 11:01am) The gun was fired into the blackness of night. Tony martin had no idea whether the kid was armed or not. Given the fact that carrying arms seems to be de rigeur for many criminals nowadays, I, for one, would support him in making that assumption. What is beyond dispute, however, is that Tony Martin was absolutely terrified, having already been the victim of several other burglaries. Your contention that burglary seldom involves violence is, at best, debatable. The burglar takes the risk when he enters premises unlawfully. If you are acting unlawfully, it can be argued that you forfeit your right to the protection of the law. You can't disrespect it on one hand and then expect it to protect you on the other. That's a really good point.
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| Bexter By the Sea 17 Jan 03 11.25am |
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they were both in the wrong. you can't burgle, it's despicable, you can't go shooting at people, both illegal though in this case one was punishable by death and one by a few years inside.
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Standyc  New York 17 Jan 03 11.28am |
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Quote the despotic banana at 17 Jan 2003 11:19am
The reason the parole board didn't let Tony Martin out, I've just read, is that he's "a danger to burglars." This seems a bit of a harsh reason for keeping someone incarcerated for a good few years of his life.
oh but I forgot that burglars don't actually get punished under the joke that is British Law which makes the victims into the criminals. but that's ok with the 'go soft on the ciminals - it's not their fault' brigade. makes me f*cking sick
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| Petealiator 1066 Country! 17 Jan 03 11.28am |
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Quote the despotic banana at 17 Jan 2003 11:19am
The reason the parole board didn't let Tony Martin out, I've just read, is that he's "a danger to burglars." This seems a bit of a harsh reason for keeping someone incarcerated for a good few years of his life. British justice...They make it up as they go along! It's sick!
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| Standyc New York 17 Jan 03 11.34am |
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and I just read that big Dunc will receive no punishment for restraining that burglar. maybe there is some sense out there but it wouldn't have surprised me it they hadn't "made an example" out of him.
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eulalio  Girls just wanna have Funt 17 Jan 03 12.55pm |
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One thing I've learned from this thread, is that I'm never going round Pete's place or Matt's place!! Boys... you are scary.
face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 |
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| Eagle_Eye Coulsdon 17 Jan 03 2.58pm |
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Quote halfmanhalfslug at 17 Jan 2003 12:55pm
One thing I've learned from this thread, is that I'm never going round Pete's place or Matt's place!! Boys... you are scary.
Extran Orange - The Best Hangover Cure in Europe You boys are a credit to your club and your parents - Russell Hayward (Mount Pleasant B&B Blackpool) |
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| Meerkat 2 1957 17 Jan 03 3.37pm |
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Some of you seem to feel that burglary is a minor crime, just the theft of a few easily replaceable electrical items. Well to you it may be just that but to others, particularly the elderly or the isolated, it can be as psychologically damaging as a rape or a bereavement. Tony Martin was repeatedly targeted by burglars and this played a major part in his increasing paranoia and mental instability.
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| eulalio Girls just wanna have Funt 17 Jan 03 4.50pm |
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Quote Meerkat 2 at 17 Jan 2003 3:37pm
Some of you seem to feel that burglary is a minor crime, just the theft of a few easily replaceable electrical items. Well to you it may be just that but to others, particularly the elderly or the isolated, it can be as psychologically damaging as a rape or a bereavement. Tony Martin was repeatedly targeted by burglars and this played a major part in his increasing paranoia and mental instability. Not so, Meerkat mate. It's just that some of us don't think that burglary is sufficiently serious to merit killing someone. Yes, it is frightening and awful -- but 99% of the time your life is NOT in danger. And so killing for supposed self-defence seems to me to be something of an overreaction.
face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 |
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| Bexter By the Sea 17 Jan 03 4.51pm |
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i think you are on dodgy ground saying that it is as damaging as rape. and i don't believe in the death penalty for rape, burglary, or manslaughter, luckily for tony martin, not so luckily for fred barrass.
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