Laddo you are so decieved it is unbelievable.

Ken Bigley should not have been in Iraq, going to Iraq in this climate as a western civilian is suicide. You cannot blame Bush for Bigley's death, blame the Koran but don't blame Bush.

You speak about Christians like you know about Christianity, your post screams of ignorance, and arrogance.

I am not a prick, but you mate are a naiive, ignorant, deceived, gullable sap!

Just because I believe abortion is wrong doesn't mean I am a Christian does it. Christians aren't the only people who believe killing children is ok.

You are so lost.

Edited by mattwebb (02 Nov 2004 1:34pm)

Why does having an interest in the bible make you a loser?

The bible as a religious document preaches more hatred than good. The fact that Mattweb blames the Karan for the attrocities in Iraq proves how religion divides two groups and distorts their attitudes of how to be humane to other individuals and cultures.

Israel and Palestine is a war based on religion. In Ireland the division there is based on religion, ****stan and India, again religion, the list can go on. What does religion do apart from create hostility? Not much in my opinion.

If you hear those nutters spout on about gays and about abortions you'd hear the hatred in their voices. I cannot stand bible-bashers and truly believe the world would be a much better place if all societies were secular.

laddo

"People say, live fast, die young. I say live fast, die old. That's me, the non-conformist".
David Brent.

What complete and utter sh*t. Why don't you get your facts straight before posting on here instead of repeating the drivel you obviously half listen to in the pub?

Religion is not in itself a cause of war - it's the tw*ts who put their own militaristic interpretations on it who are responsible. One of the few things that links the Bible and the Koran is that they both preach tolerance and a love of mankind. The fact that morons choose to use religion as a justification for their actions in no way implicates the religion itself.

You're failing to make the distinction between the religion and those who profess to follow it. All wars are about 'causes' of one kind or another and the complete breakdown of civilised behaviour - something that all major religions condemn. To use one's faith as a justification for violence and oppression is unacceptable; just as the so-called 'jihads' waged by extremist moslems find no justification in the Koran, so the Crusades in the Middle Ages were entirely outside the teachings in the Bible. Both are faiths that promote brotherly love, peace and tolerance but, as with any kind of belief, get mangled by those with the power to manipulate people's thinking. The major religions also make a big thing of the afterlife, which renders this existence as almost irrelevant, other than the fact that one may be judged based on one's own actions here on earth. Murder, in the Ken Bigley context, is utterly condemned by all faiths.

I was brought up as a Catholic but I chose to reject it because I wasn't comfortable with a doctrine that insults the intelligence. I hold no particular brief for any religion but I can see that it is people's misinterpretations that cause the problems. It's a bit like saying that cars are evil because people get run over by them whereas it's the driver and not the car who is to blame. See what I'm getting at?

Intersting Cucking and you make some valid points. However do you see where I'm coming from with regards to believing a secular world would be a happier world? I am not religios as you have probably gathered but morally I believe it is wrong to steal, hurt your fellow man and discriminate against others. I didn't learn that from a bible but through family values and from those around me. A world without religion but with people sharing those fundamental values of how to treat one another would surely be the best environment in which to live.

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try. Lennon had a point.

laddo

"People say, live fast, die young. I say live fast, die old. That's me, the non-conformist".
David Brent.