It's used as a pejorative term, as you know full well.

It was the vote where the Reform vote was bigger than the gap between Labour and the Tories.

That is what scares the s*** out of the Tories.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Starmer is just yet another in the long line of middle class anti white champagne commies that make up the Labour establishment.....which is very similar to our civil service.

Would have locked down harder, would have locked down that last Christmas.....The man is a walking nap and would lie about anything to gain power.

Economically he'll be even worse than the Tories....and that'll be quite some achievement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Feb 2024 7.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

All the theories in the world cannot disguise the truth. The reason we will see a Labour government is the same reason we got Brexit. Those who promise change will always be more popular than those having to actually manage reality whenever there are difficult circumstances. In a booming economy, however it arrives, more of the same works. In troubled times greener grass does.

The Tories have faced the banking crisis, the Brexit disaster, the pandemic and Putin. That they have contributed to the difficulties with their internal divisions and choosing wholly unsuitable leaders are sideshows. They would be on the way out of the door without any of their own efforts at making things worse. They need to regroup, dump the right, and let Reform speak for them.

I have no expectation of any major improvement under Labour. We live in troubled times that would challenge anyone. I forsee the probability of smaller parties and coalitions in the coming decades. Coalitions that will likely include Reform sometimes and the Liberals at others. Which is all to the good because then the electorate will see what they can do with a hand on a lever of power and not simply mouthing things off from a soapbox. Or GBNews. I can even imagine a grand coalition of Labour and a Tory party reborn without its right .

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Those who will not vote Labour have a dilemma.

No one knows how many former Labour voters will vote Reform.
It is clear that some traditional Tory voters are happy to vote Reform in a bi election, but will they take the plunge and do it when it counts?

Protest votes usually fade away in a GE, so the calculation is whether to risk voting Reform in the hope of a few shock wins and the potential of a real alternative going forward, or stick with the Tories in order to avoid a massive Labour landslide.

A Labour government seems inevitable, but their traditional incompetence should only see them do one term.

Is this the time for a political earthquake, or do we just accept the disastrous two party system for decades to come?

How much worse does this country have to get before we rebel?

Very possibly, but which direction do we want to go in?
Europe is heading to the right.
A wipe out for the Tories will only be positive if it leads to a right wing party that better represents the interests of the majority.