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rikz Flag Croydon 01 Nov 23 12.22pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Agree, some posters seem to believe running a club is the same as playing Football Manager online. Buy him , cancel his contract etc it’s not reality. It was widely reported Hall was coming on loan from Chelsea, we extend Olises contract, then Chelsea block Halls loan as a result. Zaha kept us hanging on for weeks, then decides to go to Turkey, leaving very little time to get a replacement.

It’s not as easy as people think, there are so many variables.

Its definitely easy enough to have more than one LB in your squad and whoever finds that difficult shouldn't hold a position at a premier league club.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 01 Nov 23 12.37pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Agree, some posters seem to believe running a club is the same as playing Football Manager online. Buy him , cancel his contract etc it’s not reality. It was widely reported Hall was coming on loan from Chelsea, we extend Olises contract, then Chelsea block Halls loan as a result. Zaha kept us hanging on for weeks, then decides to go to Turkey, leaving very little time to get a replacement.

It’s not as easy as people think, there are so many variables.

Of course are a lot of variables, but lets be honest we seam to be one of the worst at it. We brought in the joint lowest amount of players this window (4).

And that's on top of a thin squad.

We also havent utilised the loan market, which is insane.

And on Wilf, as soon as he didnt renew his contract we knew he was leaving. We've had years to plan for his departure.

 

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Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 01 Nov 23 12.50pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

No one is saying it is easy, but we have / have had a number of players well past their sell by date. For whatever reason Parish prefers to offer them another contract rather than clear the decks. It doesn't say much about the quality of the Academy if the academy players can't break into the first team squad. My understanding is that this what Parish is ultimately hoping for. Then again it has to be wondered about the level of scouting expertise when the likes of Edouard and Mateta are brought in, plus a few sick notes here and there. Doesn't due diligence exist in the scouting department?

Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 12.39pm)

Agreed. We haven’t had a decent striker since Murray. Brentford Fulham Brighton etc etc etc have all managed it.

 

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SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 01 Nov 23 12.59pm Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

No one is saying it is easy, but we have / have had a number of players well past their sell by date. For whatever reason Parish prefers to offer them another contract rather than clear the decks. It doesn't say much about the quality of the Academy if the academy players can't break into the first team squad. My understanding is that this what Parish is ultimately hoping for. Then again it has to be wondered about the level of scouting expertise when the likes of Edouard and Mateta are brought in, plus a few sick notes here and there. Doesn't due diligence exist in the scouting department?

Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 12.39pm)

You're right about Edouard and Mateta (and I'd add Riedewald to this list), but we have had some hits as well with the likes of Eze, Olise, Guehi, Anderson, Doucoure, etc. and with a bit of luck Franca. I think the academy might start bringing people through like Rak-Sakyi and Ozoh now starting to appear, but could be a while before we see a regular stream of players coming through as a result of the recent upgrading.

However, that being said, no idea why we've not strengthed the fullbacks. I think Ward turned 34 this week, Clyne is 32 and Ferguson, feel sorry for the lad, but with all these injuries he needs to start looking to get his coaching badges if he wants to stay in football, as I don't ever see him appearing on the pitch for us.

With a striker, we've been crying out for someone for years and a first-team-ready striker costs an arm and a leg, so I can see why they tried cheaper alternatives. However, think the time has come to push the boat out as much as we can and get someone decent in. There's been talk of Hugo Ekitike since the last transfer window, but who knows?

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 01 Nov 23 1.24pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain

You're right about Edouard and Mateta (and I'd add Riedewald to this list), but we have had some hits as well with the likes of Eze, Olise, Guehi, Anderson, Doucoure, etc. and with a bit of luck Franca. I think the academy might start bringing people through like Rak-Sakyi and Ozoh now starting to appear, but could be a while before we see a regular stream of players coming through as a result of the recent upgrading.

However, that being said, no idea why we've not strengthed the fullbacks. I think Ward turned 34 this week, Clyne is 32 and Ferguson, feel sorry for the lad, but with all these injuries he needs to start looking to get his coaching badges if he wants to stay in football, as I don't ever see him appearing on the pitch for us.

With a striker, we've been crying out for someone for years and a first-team-ready striker costs an arm and a leg, so I can see why they tried cheaper alternatives. However, think the time has come to push the boat out as much as we can and get someone decent in. There's been talk of Hugo Ekitike since the last transfer window, but who knows?

Yes there's no denying that.

Agree totally.

In another thread I mention Hwang at Wolves, starting to come good for them - energetic and determined, qualities that our pair of lazy duffers lack. £13m. Decent forwards are out there, our scouting hasn't identified them. I do wonder what the decision making process was for Mateta, did Dougie look at "best of" 90 second Youtube clip and think "yeah, he fits the budget"?

 

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SnapperKain Flag SE25 6PU 01 Nov 23 2.34pm Send a Private Message to SnapperKain Add SnapperKain as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Yes there's no denying that.

Agree totally.

In another thread I mention Hwang at Wolves, starting to come good for them - energetic and determined, qualities that our pair of lazy duffers lack. £13m. Decent forwards are out there, our scouting hasn't identified them. I do wonder what the decision making process was for Mateta, did Dougie look at "best of" 90 second Youtube clip and think "yeah, he fits the budget"?

I can't defend the signing of Mateta, that's definitely one we've got wrong as he's just not good enough for the prem and unfortunately, a bit lazy as well IMHO. Frustrated the hell out of me against Spurs when he just came on so presumably full of energy and just didn't shift his arse, especially to get out of offside positions.

 


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Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 01 Nov 23 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain

I can't defend the signing of Mateta, that's definitely one we've got wrong as he's just not good enough for the prem and unfortunately, a bit lazy as well IMHO. Frustrated the hell out of me against Spurs when he just came on so presumably full of energy and just didn't shift his arse, especially to get out of offside positions.

To be fair he looked pretty good against Plymouth reserves, maybe we can do some sort of swap with them, it’s certainly his level.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 01 Nov 23 6.46pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

I think one of the major frustrations on the striker front is that we seem to keep signing players in the same mould, i.e. big and lacking energy. Why haven't we tried going down a different route? Even just on loan. A quick striker who will put pressure on defenders and try and force mistakes. Eze and Olise are both more than capable of slide-rule passes to get a quick striker in behind a defence.

 

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PatrickA Flag London 02 Nov 23 8.09am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I'm not particularly a fan of Mateta or Edouard, who both contribute so little in terms of running the channels, closing down defenders or generally making a nuisance of themselves.
However, I will defend them in terms of the lack of service they receive.
It's notable at Villa, for example, Digne and Cash play a string of crosses every game.
Not aimless crosses, but crosses that defenders find difficult to defend and that are inviting for forwards.
Ward and Mitchell provide perhaps a couple of crosses per game and usually in no particular direction.
The difference is marked.
I suspect Watkins would struggle for goals in our side, although he would work a good deal harder than Mateta and Edouard.
The lack of service from out wide should be less of an issue when Olise and Eze return because they find other ways to create.
However, without those two any striker will struggle to score in our present team unless they create the chances themselves out of nothing.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Nov 23 8.53am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I'm not particularly a fan of Mateta or Edouard, who both contribute so little in terms of running the channels, closing down defenders or generally making a nuisance of themselves.
However, I will defend them in terms of the lack of service they receive.
It's notable at Villa, for example, Digne and Cash play a string of crosses every game.
Not aimless crosses, but crosses that defenders find difficult to defend and that are inviting for forwards.
Ward and Mitchell provide perhaps a couple of crosses per game and usually in no particular direction.
The difference is marked.
I suspect Watkins would struggle for goals in our side, although he would work a good deal harder than Mateta and Edouard.
The lack of service from out wide should be less of an issue when Olise and Eze return because they find other ways to create.
However, without those two any striker will struggle to score in our present team unless they create the chances themselves out of nothing.

In modern football the two full back positions are very important and an overlapping fullback should be your major source of crosses if you are not playing with out and out wingers. They are areas we should be looking to improve if we want to increase chances for our forwards in my opinion.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 02 Nov 23 9.04am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I'm not particularly a fan of Mateta or Edouard, who both contribute so little in terms of running the channels, closing down defenders or generally making a nuisance of themselves.
However, I will defend them in terms of the lack of service they receive.
It's notable at Villa, for example, Digne and Cash play a string of crosses every game.
Not aimless crosses, but crosses that defenders find difficult to defend and that are inviting for forwards.
Ward and Mitchell provide perhaps a couple of crosses per game and usually in no particular direction.
The difference is marked.
I suspect Watkins would struggle for goals in our side, although he would work a good deal harder than Mateta and Edouard.
The lack of service from out wide should be less of an issue when Olise and Eze return because they find other ways to create.
However, without those two any striker will struggle to score in our present team unless they create the chances themselves out of nothing.

Excellent post. Currently we have no natural width, injuries noted. No natural wingers, and no overlapping fullbacks. The fullbacks dare not cross the half way line in support lest they get caught out. A fullback needs pace and stamina to get up and down throughout a game. It's not the current manager's style to press too many players forward at any one time. I've noticed that when the ball is put into the box sharpish Edouard does know where to position himself and stick out a leg to try and get on the end of things.
Our build up is too predictable, and we don't get behind the opposition fullbacks to turn their defence.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (02 Nov 2023 9.39am)

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 02 Nov 23 12.46pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

In modern football the two full back positions are very important and an overlapping fullback should be your major source of crosses if you are not playing with out and out wingers. They are areas we should be looking to improve if we want to increase chances for our forwards in my opinion.

100% agree. With inverted wingers its a vitally important position . I genuinely think we'd kick on hugely with a couple of decent full backs

 

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