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cryrst The garden of England 16 Oct 23 7.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Actually I think the principle is a good one. People who have a genuine long-term heritage in a nation should have their views and opinions given higher consideration and value. Why should somebody who can trace their family tree back for hundreds of years not be considered of more importance than newcomers when it comes to matters of state? I am with the Leftwingers on this because I think the principle is of crucial importance. So in the uk, whites should have a higher level of vote?
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 16 Oct 23 7.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What’s important in this is to ensure we treat those who commit atrocities as the criminals they are. We need to be ruthless in our efforts to identify them before they act and severe in our punishments if they do. What we mustn’t do is ostracise all the Muslims who aren’t terrorists. We must treat people on how they behave and not on what they believe. Yes, go up and ask them, if they stab you, you know the are a wrongen
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Fudger Cardiff 16 Oct 23 7.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That might be today's simple truth but we must look beyond today, and indeed beyond tomorrow. Defining what happens next is often ignored in the rush to deal with the immediate. Iran and radical Islam are indeed a major problem but why do they exist? What has created them and how do we help to turn people away from it? There are many in Iran who would be very pleased to see their country become a modern democracy. Not all Islamic countries are radical, so there are models to be found. Israel responding in the way they are to the atrocities committed by Hamas is probably exactly what Hamas wanted to happen. Israel is rapidly being seen as an aggressor and not a victim. Hamas don't care about civilian casualties, or losing their own fighters. So I worry that Israel in responding in the way they always do when provoked is making the problem worse. A more nuanced, thoughtful and targetted response which clearly tries to protect the long suffering innocent, whilst being ruthless with Hamas itself, would keep the rest of the world onside and perhaps see a shorter route to a long term solution. So how the F**K do you do that, reply please
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Matov 16 Oct 23 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So in the uk, whites should have a higher level of vote?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Oct 23 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Fudger
So how the F**K do you do that, reply please Probably by regime change a no nonsense call it whatever you want, but put simply Hamas need to go & moderates installed into power Also there needs to be concessions from Israel as well.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 23 9.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
Yes, go up and ask them, if they stab you, you know the are a wrongen That’s just silly. No one thinks we simplify ignore dangerous people. I am talking about an overall strategy of ensuring that we separate the truly evil from those who are just wanting a peaceful life.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 16 Oct 23 9.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s just silly. No one thinks we simplify ignore dangerous people. I am talking about an overall strategy of ensuring that we separate the truly evil from those who are just wanting a peaceful life. Yes. Which is probably why Israel asked people to leave northern Gaza so that only the bad guys stay behind to fight. Except the world is totally against that strategy.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 23 9.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Fudger
So how the F**K do you do that, reply please I am not, and nor do I suspect is anyone else here, either a military strategist or privy to all the intelligence that Israel possesses. So I don’t have a precise answer. Trying though to adopt a more nuanced, forensic approach to decapitate Hamas and encourage their overthrow from within Gaza makes more sense to me than the current one which will see both a huge loss of innocent lives, immense suffering of many more and the support of the international community shredded. That would equal a victory for Hamas. You don’t defeat ideas with wars. You defeat ideas with better ideas.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 23 9.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Yes. Which is probably why Israel asked people to leave northern Gaza so that only the bad guys stay behind to fight. Except the world is totally against that strategy. Many of the bad guys will be in the convoys leaving, ready to regroup and fight another day.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Oct 23 10.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That might be today's simple truth but we must look beyond today, and indeed beyond tomorrow. Defining what happens next is often ignored in the rush to deal with the immediate. Iran and radical Islam are indeed a major problem but why do they exist? What has created them and how do we help to turn people away from it? There are many in Iran who would be very pleased to see their country become a modern democracy. Not all Islamic countries are radical, so there are models to be found. Israel responding in the way they are to the atrocities committed by Hamas is probably exactly what Hamas wanted to happen. Israel is rapidly being seen as an aggressor and not a victim. Hamas don't care about civilian casualties, or losing their own fighters. So I worry that Israel in responding in the way they always do when provoked is making the problem worse. A more nuanced, thoughtful and targetted response which clearly tries to protect the long suffering innocent, whilst being ruthless with Hamas itself, would keep the rest of the world onside and perhaps see a shorter route to a long term solution. I would imagine that the people pulling the string will not be concerned with converting radical Islam to a moderate belief system. Their concern will be preventing a radical government or organisation from obtaining a nuclear weapon to threaten the stability of the world. The US has eyes on Iran and will be very happy to see Israel destroy or weaken its allies, even if that means serious collateral damage. Hamas, who were obviously aided by outside agencies, have struck at a time when Israeli relations with Saudi were making progress. This was obviously deliberate. What ever plan Hamas and its allies might have, they will not be successful. America will do whatever it takes to make sure of that. It could get very ugly, and we must hope that the conflict remains conventional and contained.
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eritheagle Erith 16 Oct 23 10.13pm | |
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Belgium v Sweden abandoned at h-t after two Swedes shot dead in terrorist attack in Brussles! And it begins!!!
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Oct 23 10.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Many of the bad guys will be in the convoys leaving, ready to regroup and fight another day. Probably sitting around women and children on flat bed trucks !
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