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silvertop Portishead 20 Oct 23 2.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Don't worry, they will have their own parties soon, and we will bend to the demands of Islam. If only people were smart enough to see what's coming and vote for a right wing party in large numbers at an election, instead of bottling it and merely make Labour's job easier by taking Tory votes. It is also ridiculous that we still have right wing parties contesting each other. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2023 12.30pm) You wonder why we don't. And it is not because of some fantasy about a happy, cohesive, multi-cultural utopia, although many out there believe in a movement towards that. It is the harsh reality of our world I will throw out some factors. All off the top of my head. Hardly an informed essay on the subject, but I would be interested in your views. 1. There isn't a single western country that has not experienced large immigration from Islamic populations. We are not alone. None have even advocated what you suggest. Why not? 2. All have ageing populations and a shrinking working population of those indigenous to their nation. AI can only fill some of the vacancies needed to keep the nation running at a profit. These people fill many of those vacancies. 3. If you are going to increase the working population, what better than from a pool of that country's elite young males who practically walk 100s miles thorough desserts and traverse seas and frontiers to get here. 4. Like it or not, Brexit operated as a choice unwittingly made by the British electorate to favour largely semi-literate, permanent immigration from those sources over literate, largely semi-permanent European immigration. You reap what you sow. 5. What you propose may be internationally condemned and may break international law. Indeed, the sort of thing you suggest would be more in keeping with a failed tinpot state. No "advanced" nation wants to be seen as that. Some of it stealthily introduced could work, but why do none do it? We have the most populist right wing government this country has recently had, so why not? 6. The cost is one. What you propose would cost a fortune. OK, we can afford it. However, it is the opportunity cost which no politician will bear, and especially the inevitable loss of funding to the sacred cow that is the NHS. Immigration control of the sort you advocate would be a money pit and electoral suicide. 7. The domestic push back is another. On one level, there are those liberal types who would see this country falling into some national socialist vortex and would protest in their millions. On another, domestic terrorism, which is largely controlled and well monitored, would go off the scale. 8. Then there is the international reaction. I don't mean a repeat of 5 above, I mean from largely Islamic nations who will justifiably believe we have become anti-Islam. Our voice in the middle east will completely disappear as it will in Malaysia, Indonesia and the entire Indian sub-continent. We trade with many of those nations and a great deal of our income is derived from there. It could be the definition of the shot in the foot. 9. Finally, whoever does this must do it in tandem with every other country as you need somewhere to send them "back" to. What if Syria, Mali or pakistan won't take them? Rwanda has agreed to take some as a "holding pen"; but of the numbers you suppose?; and for how long? A permanent refugee camp in the middle of Africa of 100,000s being bank-rolled by HM Government with plenty of the cash being syphoned off into the pockets of corrupt officials? Not a hope.
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Glazier#1 20 Oct 23 2.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Don't worry, they will have their own parties soon, and we will bend to the demands of Islam. If only people were smart enough to see what's coming and vote for a right wing party in large numbers at an election, instead of bottling it and merely make Labour's job easier by taking Tory votes. It is also ridiculous that we still have right wing parties contesting each other. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2023 12.30pm) What exactly do you mean by this? Muslims? Conflicting ideologies? Be specific, man, and stop beating around the bush. If you are, indeed, a beholder of 'the truth', tell us exactly what you mean by 'conflicting ideologies'. Otherwise it's just wishy-washy twaddle. Hope you don't mind me asking; just interested.
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Stirlingsays 20 Oct 23 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
What exactly do you mean by this? Muslims? Conflicting ideologies? Be specific, man, and stop beating around the bush. If you are, indeed, a beholder of 'the truth', tell us exactly what you mean by 'conflicting ideologies'. Otherwise it's just wishy-washy twaddle. Hope you don't mind me asking; just interested. Sometimes a picture is better than a thousand words that we are constantly asked to repeat. [Tweet Link]
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Glazier#1 20 Oct 23 3.08pm | |
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Yes but what is HTG saying? Come on, Hrolfyboy, tell us what the statement means, specifically> Edited by Glazier#1 (20 Oct 2023 3.09pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 23 4.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
What exactly do you mean by this? Muslims? Conflicting ideologies? Be specific, man, and stop beating around the bush. If you are, indeed, a beholder of 'the truth', tell us exactly what you mean by 'conflicting ideologies'. Otherwise it's just wishy-washy twaddle. Hope you don't mind me asking; just interested. I think everyone knows the answer, except you, apparently.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 23 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You wonder why we don't. And it is not because of some fantasy about a happy, cohesive, multi-cultural utopia, although many out there believe in a movement towards that. It is the harsh reality of our world I will throw out some factors. All off the top of my head. Hardly an informed essay on the subject, but I would be interested in your views. 1. There isn't a single western country that has not experienced large immigration from Islamic populations. We are not alone. None have even advocated what you suggest. Why not? 2. All have ageing populations and a shrinking working population of those indigenous to their nation. AI can only fill some of the vacancies needed to keep the nation running at a profit. These people fill many of those vacancies. 3. If you are going to increase the working population, what better than from a pool of that country's elite young males who practically walk 100s miles thorough desserts and traverse seas and frontiers to get here. 4. Like it or not, Brexit operated as a choice unwittingly made by the British electorate to favour largely semi-literate, permanent immigration from those sources over literate, largely semi-permanent European immigration. You reap what you sow. 5. What you propose may be internationally condemned and may break international law. Indeed, the sort of thing you suggest would be more in keeping with a failed tinpot state. No "advanced" nation wants to be seen as that. Some of it stealthily introduced could work, but why do none do it? We have the most populist right wing government this country has recently had, so why not? 6. The cost is one. What you propose would cost a fortune. OK, we can afford it. However, it is the opportunity cost which no politician will bear, and especially the inevitable loss of funding to the sacred cow that is the NHS. Immigration control of the sort you advocate would be a money pit and electoral suicide. 7. The domestic push back is another. On one level, there are those liberal types who would see this country falling into some national socialist vortex and would protest in their millions. On another, domestic terrorism, which is largely controlled and well monitored, would go off the scale. 8. Then there is the international reaction. I don't mean a repeat of 5 above, I mean from largely Islamic nations who will justifiably believe we have become anti-Islam. Our voice in the middle east will completely disappear as it will in Malaysia, Indonesia and the entire Indian sub-continent. We trade with many of those nations and a great deal of our income is derived from there. It could be the definition of the shot in the foot. 9. Finally, whoever does this must do it in tandem with every other country as you need somewhere to send them "back" to. What if Syria, Mali or pakistan won't take them? Rwanda has agreed to take some as a "holding pen"; but of the numbers you suppose?; and for how long? A permanent refugee camp in the middle of Africa of 100,000s being bank-rolled by HM Government with plenty of the cash being syphoned off into the pockets of corrupt officials? Not a hope. Many Muslims are unemployed and have never worked a day. The political expediency which you suggest will destroy Britain as we knew it. Is that a price worth paying? The people who make these decisions won't suffer the consequences. How the Middle East views us will not depend on how many migrants we take. Throwing out criminals, terrorists and controlling borders is the right of every country. Who we allow here is our business. I don't see other Muslim countries in a hurry to take foreign Muslims. We are total mugs if we dance to the tune of the Arabs for any amount of return. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2023 5.04pm)
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Oct 23 5.24pm | |
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Matov 20 Oct 23 6.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The political expediency which you suggest will destroy Britain as we knew it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2023 5.04pm)
And what I struggle to understand this most is that this political expediency is driven by those on the Left who champion Socially Liberal causes which will be thrown into total reverse by the very migrants they championing starting to assert themselves politically. You already get a taste of it around protests outside schools by protest groups, dominated by Muslim activists, against the deviant alphabet lot and their attempts to infiltrate school curriculums. With the most current manifestation of this seeing LGBT whatever slogans on Palestinian flags when they are literally illegal over there. Sheer lunancy. And yet still they cheer on the invasion of Europe by Muslims. Perhaps there is a Darwinian element to this? Heard the Progessive Left described as spiteful mutants so maybe this is their collective way of ensuring they are wiped out as a group in society.
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Matov 20 Oct 23 7.13pm | |
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Says it all. Sunak 'safe'. WTF? This is insanity. A party on the back of a record majority in 2019 commiting political suicide. These f***ers are literally planning to sit out the next 5 years because they know some serious s*** is going to hit the fan. Which I suspect their paymasters are fully on board with (rejoining the EU and swallowing our share of Palastinian refugees).
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steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 23 7.52pm | |
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John Curtice saying Truss destroyed the tory claim of economic competence is a considerable part of the reason. What do the tories do? 'Tories urge Rishi Sunak to accept Truss agenda'. He is at least trying in the middle east, mate I'd stay there, it's safer.
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Matov 20 Oct 23 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
John Curtice saying Truss destroyed the tory claim of economic competence is a considerable part of the reason. What do the tories do? 'Tories urge Rishi Sunak to accept Truss agenda'. He is at least trying in the middle east, mate I'd stay there, it's safer.
What an absolutely ludicrous take. What destroyed the Tories credibility was over-seeing all this woke BS along with allowing a literal sea-borne invasion of our southern coast to go unchallenged. s***, these f***ers even laid on reception committees for them and failed to take the neccessary action to stop it. This idea that it is down to Liz Truss is simply bollocks. There is something so f***ed up going on at the moment with this ludicrous narrative just yet another prime example.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 23 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
What an absolutely ludicrous take. What destroyed the Tories credibility was over-seeing all this woke BS along with allowing a literal sea-borne invasion of our southern coast to go unchallenged. s***, these f***ers even laid on reception committees for them and failed to take the neccessary action to stop it. This idea that it is down to Liz Truss is simply bollocks. There is something so f***ed up going on at the moment with this ludicrous narrative just yet another prime example. People love paying less tax. Not though when the extra money in their pockets is more than wiped out by higher interest and inflated prices. That’s what Truss delivered and what caused her to be the shortest serving PM in living memory. The same fate awaits anyone adopting similar policies. You cannot control market reactions and only fools think they can. It had nothing to do with either immigration or the right’s obsession with what they call “wokeness”.
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