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 Badger11  Beckenham 01 Jul 24 11.24am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Heard a French bloke this morning saying people are voting right because of a feeling of being disenfranchised, of wanting to wrestle control from the "elites", to a distrust of "globalism" etc etc. Do you guys all sing from one hymn sheet? Maybe the public across the EU is getting fed up with the same BS from the liberal elites.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Jul 24 11.34am |
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I have just finished reading a history of France by John Julius Norwich, I must confess to not knowing a great deal about our neighbours. What surprised me is that chaos appears to be the norm in French politics and stability is a relatively new phenomenon. If the predictions of a violent left wing backlash occur then it is business as usual within the French state. It's interesting to compare the political histories of the UK and France. In Britain we had regular turmoil and civil wars up to around 1688 after which up to today we have had stability. Yes there are crisis and governments fall but all this is done through the mechanism of Parliament and the ballot box. As for violence we have had the occasional riot but they pale in comparison to the French. In France they have had revolts and revolutions right up until the 1960's with 5 types of republic, armed rebellions and mass civil unrest and violent protest leading to the over throw of the constitution. It would not surprise me if the French are not yet done with this.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 01 Jul 24 11.44am |
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Macrons party got 20%, the left coalition 28%, the Nationalists 34%, a few minor others. Even without the trade-offs Le Pen would struggle to get anything through the French parliament with Macron also remaining as President until 2027. An absolute majority requires 289 seats they look well short of that. An illogical election called by Macron out of frustration but he's made the situation worse, you would expect him to read the situation better. Onto the second round. 'Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose'.
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| silvertop Portishead 01 Jul 24 11.51am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I have just finished reading a history of France by John Julius Norwich, I must confess to not knowing a great deal about our neighbours. What surprised me is that chaos appears to be the norm in French politics and stability is a relatively new phenomenon. If the predictions of a violent left wing backlash occur then it is business as usual within the French state. It's interesting to compare the political histories of the UK and France. In Britain we had regular turmoil and civil wars up to around 1688 after which up to today we have had stability. Yes there are crisis and governments fall but all this is done through the mechanism of Parliament and the ballot box. As for violence we have had the occasional riot but they pale in comparison to the French. In France they have had revolts and revolutions right up until the 1960's with 5 types of republic, armed rebellions and mass civil unrest and violent protest leading to the over throw of the constitution. It would not surprise me if the French are not yet done with this. And the French have found our peaceful, wet little island a refuge from their turmoil ever since, and not just the Huguenots. However, not a wholly happy one. Thus, Monet came here as all but a refugee but hated London as a sooty overcrowded dump (love his London work though). And many of the French troops rescued after Dunkirk preferred to take their chances and return to occupied France! If the right take over and the persecutions inevitably begin, do we see a tide of new refugees heading our way?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Jul 24 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
And the French have found our peaceful, wet little island a refuge from their turmoil ever since, and not just the Huguenots. However, not a wholly happy one. Thus, Monet came here as all but a refugee but hated London as a sooty overcrowded dump (love his London work though). And many of the French troops rescued after Dunkirk preferred to take their chances and return to occupied France! If the right take over and the persecutions inevitably begin, do we see a tide of new refugees heading our way? Interesting point. They will all try and go elsewhere.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Jul 24 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
And the French have found our peaceful, wet little island a refuge from their turmoil ever since, and not just the Huguenots. However, not a wholly happy one. Thus, Monet came here as all but a refugee but hated London as a sooty overcrowded dump (love his London work though). And many of the French troops rescued after Dunkirk preferred to take their chances and return to occupied France! If the right take over and the persecutions inevitably begin, do we see a tide of new refugees heading our way? Napoleon III lived in Chislehurst. It's a good point were the right to really take control the nearest socialist French city is London.
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| YT Oxford 01 Jul 24 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Napoleon III lived in Chislehurst. It's a good point were the right to really take control the nearest socialist French city is London. A Versailles Palace fan?
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| silvertop Portishead 01 Jul 24 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Maybe the public across the EU is getting fed up with the same BS from the liberal elites. Was that intended to be witty?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Jul 24 6.30pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Was that intended to be witty? No it was a statement.
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| silvertop Portishead 01 Jul 24 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Napoleon III lived in Chislehurst. It's a good point were the right to really take control the nearest socialist French city is London. Yeah and Marx in Soho and Ho Chi Minh washing dishes in West Ealing. The commies all come to London.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Jul 24 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yeah and Marx in Soho and Ho Chi Minh washing dishes in West Ealing. The commies all come to London. Didn't know that about him. Back to France as I said earlier I have just read a history book it's surprising how many policial leaders in France have fled to London especially over he last 300 years.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Jul 24 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yeah and Marx in Soho and Ho Chi Minh washing dishes in West Ealing. The commies all come to London. So there really were reds under the beds.
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