We could also state the same criticism of God (did he just 'spring into existence with no explanation', did he always exist?) only with less rationality behind our thoughts. I think 'God' is just us putting something or someone we feel we can relate to into the equation. There's likely a better argument that we're in a simulation than heaven sent.

If God exists it would depend on the process of creation whether he's responsible for said creations behaviour or his own inaction is he's all powerful.

But while I believe it's irrational, that's not to say it's without worth to people. People can be persuaded to do significant harm if they believe 'their God' wants them to behave a certain way, but the converse is also true, and I agree it's abundantly clear that people can become radicalised around race, politics or whatever in absurd ways. Where people use religion to give them purpose and to improve the lives of those around them that's all positive in my view. I care more that there are good and caring people who look to support others and make a positive difference, than the specific mindset that led them to that place.

I don't personally see the idea of a God being realistic, but as I say it's not something I'm all that invested in. Good people make a difference no matter how they came to be that way. Unless someone's beliefs contort them into something malignant and damaging to those around them all is well.

For all man's cleverness and abilities, no-one has yet been able to create life from nothing.... yes they can reproduce using live material but from dead matter, no..... not ever. So where di the original life forms come from?

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A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

When you magnify you only need to look at the structure of an ice crystal or any DNA to see incredible precision and order.

Mathematics or nature's code, if you will, is the unseen hand behind the stage.

There was an early computer program, I can't remember what it was called 'life' or something that showed that different forms of complex order can result from just setting a few 'rules' or mathematics. So we know that structured complex order can come from randomness....The nature of the void itself are tiny energy variations within 'fields' and science's giants have shown that randomness seems to rule our physics via probability suggesting that more dimensions exist than we can access.....We live in a time where lots of minds are focused in on these questions and perhaps a new Newton will make a breakthrough.

Maybe eventually we can get an answer to the classic origin question of can those energy variations within fields come from 'nothing'.
Can something start from nothing, zero energy? I'm not seeing how it can. If there is a god, who created god? Did a god write this code and leave it to develop? It's like looking at a circle and trying to work out where it starts. It's not possible....but you do know that it did start, because it exists within your reality....The fact that it did start is an undeniable clue.

I don't think it's possible to come to a rational conclusion from the information we currently have. We clearly do not have enough data to answer the question other than making rudimentary guesses.

For myself, If I had to put money on it I would go with simulation theory and that there are 'parallel' dimensions. However, I'm aware that this is a form of cop out. But there is no certainty.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 5.59am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That Eric Clapton just gives his number out to anybody.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)