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taylors lovechild 27 Apr 23 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Steveoxon
I often thought before he came to Palace that his performance as a pundit was often quite weak, what he said never really seemed to amount to much. I thought then perhaps it was a language issue, but his pre and post match performances when manager were often quite wishy-washy in my opinion. I also thought his interview with Rio Ferdinand re social media was a bit disappointing. Do you mean this one? [Link] What is it that was disappointing for you? He seemed to say what you'd expect of any decent human being, unless I missed something in my skimming of the transcript?
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silvertop Portishead 27 Apr 23 11.58am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think a lot of what you say makes sense and the board did let him down. However I expect most managers will tell you that their board makes promises they don't keep. The burden of being a manager is to make the best of what you got and PV didn't do that. A good manager would have got those players going and then quit for a better job. PV has not helped himself there. Roy was attacked on all sides in his last stint here, but he soldiered on with an ageing, makeweight team... yet still kept us mid table for 4 seasons on a relative shoestring. An example set but not followed.
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silvertop Portishead 27 Apr 23 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
Do you mean this one? [Link] What is it that was disappointing for you? He seemed to say what you'd expect of any decent human being, unless I missed something in my skimming of the transcript? Also, if you are really going to attack a man based on his punditry, remember the dullest most lifeless pundit in history. Step forward Sir Steve Coppell! After he spoke, his voice was so monotone and soporific I had no clue what he had just said. Simply didn't register. I wonder how he was perhaps our best ever manager who led the team to 3rd in the table and a cup final.
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Steveoxon Oxford 27 Apr 23 1.24pm | |
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Fair enough, although I was basing what i said on PV's pressers and post match stuff as well. As for the interview with Ferdinand, the transcript reads ok, I just felt watching the video that Ferdinand was having to feed PV quite a lot keep him going. I'm not saying I dislike PV, far from it, and I thought he was great at many of the club events, for example with the Down's syndrome kids, I just often felt his answers to questions re games were a bit superficial and like he was going through the motions. Maybe's he's just shy or it's that English is not his first language. Roy's recent press conferences have been on a different level.
Originally posted by silvertop
Also, if you are really going to attack a man based on his punditry, remember the dullest most lifeless pundit in history. Step forward Sir Steve Coppell! After he spoke, his voice was so monotone and soporific I had no clue what he had just said. Simply didn't register. I wonder how he was perhaps our best ever manager who led the team to 3rd in the table and a cup final.
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taylors lovechild 27 Apr 23 1.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Steveoxon
Fair enough, although I was basing what i said on PV's pressers and post match stuff as well. As for the interview with Ferdinand, the transcript reads ok, I just felt watching the video that Ferdinand was having to feed PV quite a lot keep him going. I'm not saying I dislike PV, far from it, and I thought he was great at many of the club events, for example with the Down's syndrome kids, I just often felt his answers to questions re games were a bit superficial and like he was going through the motions. Maybe's he's just shy or it's that English is not his first language. Roy's recent press conferences have been on a different level. I can get that, I took it that he's just a really laid back guy, which is fine when you're playing well, but maybe doesn't play so well when your team is losing. The shape of his head and his size makes me think of the Honey Monster. He was struggling to get a tune out of the team by the end, but I think he'll bounce back. Maybe with a better coaching setup next time.
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Painter Croydon 27 Apr 23 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think a lot of what you say makes sense and the board did let him down. However I expect most managers will tell you that their board makes promises they don't keep. The burden of being a manager is to make the best of what you got and PV didn't do that. A good manager would have got those players going and then quit for a better job. This board letting him down over transfers is nonsense, he had 120m spent on his squad, more than any previous manager. He basically couldn’t use his squad correctly and tactically seemed lacking. Not playing Eze has shown to be a big error.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Apr 23 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
This board letting him down over transfers is nonsense, he had 120m spent on his squad, more than any previous manager. He basically couldn’t use his squad correctly and tactically seemed lacking. Not playing Eze has shown to be a big error. Harsh but I am inclined to believe there is a lot of truth in there.
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taylors lovechild 27 Apr 23 2.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
This board letting him down over transfers is nonsense, he had 120m spent on his squad, more than any previous manager. He basically couldn’t use his squad correctly and tactically seemed lacking. Not playing Eze has shown to be a big error. Regardless of who is manager next season, they are likely going to be asked to turn water into wine as financially we continue to struggle to match pretty much every other club. Ward, Schlupp and Ayew are not going to suddenly get better at this stage of their career, Wilf is probably off, and we may well lose one of our other stars like Guehi or Olise. When Vieira was sacked his points per pound spend put him in the top three managers in the PL (only behind Brighton and Brentford). That is not to say we were playing well, because we weren't, and the decision to sack him in retrospect was probably the right one...but...it does highlight how incredibly tough the job is. It does also show what a good job Freedman does.
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southnorwoodhill 27 Apr 23 6.30pm | |
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Some posters keep on mentioning the £120m spent, but as I have explained elsewhere this sum had to be spent anyhow no matter who was manager, owing to that fact that the squad was depleted after Roy's first stint due to contracts being concluded and a number of players not of PL standard any longer. Some have managed to linger and are still here and one would expect that they won't be here next season. Edited by southnorwoodhill (27 Apr 2023 7.03pm)
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sydtheeagle England 27 Apr 23 9.29pm | |
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How do you measure a good manager? Beyond results and goals, I think it's "do they improve their players"? From his first day to his last, I'd say: Guita was Guaita In short, the vast majority of players failed to improve in any measurable way and most went backwards under Vieira's management/coaching. I'd say Schlupp was probably the only player you could argue improved, and even then marginally at best. I loved PV but...he wasn't a very good manager and he was an even worse coach. Perhaps, by January, the board had concluded he wasn't worth investing any more money in and they'd wait until they had a manager they could trust to improve players before spending any more.
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PatrickA London 28 Apr 23 7.40am | |
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Agree with much of this. For much of this season I was preferred to give Vieira the benefit of the doubt based on last season which was good. However, it appears my analysis was incorrect and the problem may not have related to the system or lack of fitness but instead the poor coaching and man management under Vieira . It is evident that Roy has kept the 433 system but Schlupp and Eze have been given a new lease of life in the two number 8 roles and Doucoure has not even looked like getting a booking in the holding role. Originally posted by sydtheeagle
How do you measure a good manager? Beyond results and goals, I think it's "do they improve their players"? From his first day to his last, I'd say: Guita was Guaita In short, the vast majority of players failed to improve in any measurable way and most went backwards under Vieira's management/coaching. I'd say Schlupp was probably the only player you could argue improved, and even then marginally at best. I loved PV but...he wasn't a very good manager and he was an even worse coach. Perhaps, by January, the board had concluded he wasn't worth investing any more money in and they'd wait until they had a manager they could trust to improve players before spending any more.
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Painter Croydon 28 Apr 23 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Some posters keep on mentioning the £120m spent, but as I have explained elsewhere this sum had to be spent anyhow no matter who was manager, owing to that fact that the squad was depleted after Roy's first stint due to contracts being concluded and a number of players not of PL standard any longer. Some have managed to linger and are still here and one would expect that they won't be here next season. Edited by southnorwoodhill (27 Apr 2023 7.03pm) The £120m point was made, as counter to the board didn’t support Vieira, when they obviously did. Whether it was needed or not is irrelevant, as the value of players that left were nowhere near that value.
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