Could you clarify as to what exactly constitutes 'drivel' for you? I really am unsure as to what you are referring?

I do think they generate a good atmosphere and I do also believe this may have contributed to our staying in the PL. It must surely help the team to have the backing and vocal support of fans. It's only a subjective opinion but I don't think you can call it drivel.

I am inclined to believe you have replied in the manner you have Maple given your allegiances to the HF and your usual overly emotive, reactionary keyboard warrioring, which would only perpetuate a stereotype, however I will await clarification.

Edited by Nicholas91 (25 Apr 2023 6.34pm)

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

sometimes they leave us open for ridicule with their antics, in being a very poor 'proper ultras' tribute act

There is also an inferred if not intentional view of them trying to act intimidating or tough

a 'bunch of mollycoddled middle class boys who are badly emulating that they have seen through media', for lack of articulation, and a separate entity to the Palace fan base as I know it.

All of the above is rubbish. I guess you absorb what a few embittered and envious people have put out there.

I didn’t join them, they joined me. And we welcomed one another, finding much common ground. The main group are good people who do good things. Ask the food banks.

Why do older people insist on seeing the worst in younger people? Fear of irrelevance perhaps

My invitation stands. Come and see for yourself instead of portraying your guesses as having any kind of facts to underpin them

And learn to be concise! And the meaning of emotive.

Edited by Mapletree (25 Apr 2023 10.29pm)

It is laudable of you to support your friend.

No, they moved through a negotiation with the club. They were in Block B

I know, I remember! I used to sit directly behind the goal, always.

Now, without trying to post anything emotive myself, I'd like to echo that I do occasionally find them a bit silly however do appreciate that the HF bring to the club and have always defended them myself when speaking to non Palace supporters who focus upon them to try and banter me. In fact, I was once greeted with shouts of 'ohhhh, the Palace choir have invaded ahahhaah' upon one of my visits to the Dockers' Eat Upper Stand (I often make the visit to appease relatives who have never quite accepted my supporting the better side of SE London).

So that is still my stance, I was only ever offering something to the discussion. As originally stated, my ire lies predominantly if not exclusively with Palace fans and whoever is instigating or even participating in this fighting. That is most definitely embarrassing and quite frankly infuriating. I've never had the misfortune of encountering it but with so many kids etc in attendance these days I am inclined to believe I'd lose my cool. If racist comments are part of this, I do not recognise those people as fellow palace fans quite frankly. The idea of that is quite absurd when you think about it.

In any case, 'boo' tonight's result, any donuts who want to engage in scraps with other fans but goodnight to all on here.

COYP! I sincerely hope for better vs WHU!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Last night, for me, provided yet more evidence that the HF is if anything the solution and not the problem. It was a miserable affair (if there's another nuclear war, it'd be no loss if Wolverhampton is targeted first) and our support, unusually, was a let-down. But what noise and atmosphere was generated to spur on the boys came pretty much entirely from whatever HF contingent was there. I traveled at least some way back on the train with what I presume were some of them and they were good-humoured and boisterous (in spite of the game) and nothing but a credit to Palace. Meanwhile, (I was sitting "above" the HF in the stand at Molineux) a row of spotty teenage Palace-supporting yobs, entirely unaffiliated with the Front, spent the game desperately trying to look hard, openly vaping and smoking, and the second half dismantling seats and then holding them up in triumph so their "achievement" could be celebrated by all. There are, unfortunately, some complete t***s who follow Palace. None, at least that I've seen, are part of the Front.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.