Sunak actually joined the Conservative party in 2010.

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The Tories were most definitely a Euro skeptic (your favourite spelling) party by this time....even in the nineties it represented a considerable bulk of the grass roots and a significant number of MPs....enough for Major to have to re-stand for his own party leadership.

Sunak was elected to the safe and very pro Brexit Richmond seat in the 2015 general election....frankly I'm not seeing what you have an issue with in my post.

Where do I get my ideas from?.....actual reality Maple, where do you get yours from? Back of the sofa?...or a granite shoreline perhaps?

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Apr 2023 7.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No, he joined the Conservative Party in the late 1990s. I have never and would never spell sceptic in the American way.

The vast majority of Conservative MPs said they would vote remain just before the referendum.

Don’t question me without facts to back it up.

I literally linked you to his Wiki page which states that he joined the Conservative party in 2010.

Perhaps you need to question them then.

I just get the impression Maple and have for some time, that instead of only caring about what's true. I mean I literally referred to Euro sceptic (I'll be nice) events in the nineties you lived through yourself, yet you instead prefer to ignore what interferes with your preferred narrative.

As for the Conservative MPs....ever heard of the whipping office Maple? Even though Cameron spent a lot of time trying to filter out anti EU MPs at the selection stage the reality is that ultimately on this issue most of them supported the general consensus of their local party when push came to shove.

The Tories are not a pro EU party at the grass roots and as a reflection....despite filtering.....the MP base are a watered down reflection of that. However, due to the nature of the type of career politician we have today the whips essentially control most votes even more so than in the past......the grass roots get even less of what they pay their subs for.

It would be nice if you would appreciate and recognise that the leaderships of neither Labour nor Tory party really care about their grass root base. Instead they are far more in hook to their donors, who themselves are far more interested in private interests....Many of which differ from the concerns of the populations who vote for these parties.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Apr 2023 8.29am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Oh do f*** off. We have probably been under US control since the months running up to the second Gulf War. Blair flies to Washington, very cold on the entire idea, before flying back as the cheerleader, even destroying SIS's credibility for possibly ever given that farce of a 'dossier' they used to justify the invasion.

I suspect it was pure blackmail (Mandleson is the name that constantly crops up as both catalyst).

And fear not, within 10 years we will be back in the EU. But not to make it a success. Quite the contrary in fact. Washington wants us back in to f*** it up like we were doing before.

Because, despite people like me being willing to crap all over the institution of the EU for all kinds of valid reasons, the actual concept of a European Union is an incredible one. And if they could team up with Russia, then the greatest single power block the world has ever known on almost every conceivable level.

But that ain't going to happen now is it?

Is the majority of this conspiracy theory and/or hyperbole? Absolutely. But I would stake my life on me getting far more right than wrong in this context.

Starmer/Sunak, two sides of the same s***ty coin.

Edited by Matov (15 Apr 2023 9.24am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Between 2010 and 2015, inward acquisitions of UK companies and overseas takeovers by UK companies had largely tracked each other, averaging around 165 per year (see Chart 1). Since then, however, both the volume and value of overseas acquisitions of UK companies have begun to rise. Primarily, most of the increase in takeovers of UK businesses have come from companies based in the US, the EU or the rest of Europe, while takeovers from companies in Asia are running 2.5x – 3x higher since the referendum than before it.

One reason for this increase in takeovers of UK companies is the discount financial markets are now placing on UK-based companies. Since voting to leave the EU in 2016, UK stock market returns have lagged international peers, creating a persistent and historically wide valuation discount.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2023 9.46am)

Brexit was not primarily a vote on economic factors IMO, it was about self determination.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.