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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 10 Feb 23 9.32am Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Fascist

I was thinking, Rachman.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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YT Flag Oxford 10 Feb 23 11.04am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall

I was thinking, Rachman.

Why would you think that? I've never rented anything to anyone.

 


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Dubai Eagle Flag 10 Feb 23 11.44am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Hi YT -
Many thanks for that - didnt realise it was so involved -
I will take a look over the weekend when I have more time to digest the finer points & see where I will be impacted & by how much, lol

Originally posted by YT

OK....

Firstly, if you sell your 2nd property "now", that triggers a CGT liability, assuming you sell it for a profit. Put simply, the taxable gain is:

What you sell it for, less the costs of selling (eg estate agent, solicitors fees).
MINUS
What you paid for it, including the costs of buying it, plus what you've spent on 'improvements' over and above 'ongoing maintenance' (HMRC has lots of guidance regarding what can be included)
MINUS
£13,000 - the CGT allowance for this tax year and assuming you've no other capital gains this tax year (NOTE: this figure is set to fall significantly over the next couple of tax years).

If you have a joint owner or owners, you and each of the joint owners does the above calculation for THEIR SHARE of the property. Thus a husband and wife (say) would end up protecting £26,000 of the gain from CGT (IN THIS TAX YEAR - less than £26,000 in future tax years, when the allowance is going to reduce).

If you gift the property to your kids (or to anyone), that is treated as a disposal even if no money changes hands. The above calculation therefore still applies, but the first line of it will be based on a valuation of the property's market value at the time of transfer. That valuation will have to be accepted by HMRC, so you can't claim that the value was 50 quid (for example!). I THINK any costs of transferring the property (eg legal fees) can be deducted from the gain, but this would need to be checked. NB HMRC will in any case be "interested" in the value, because 'ad valorem' stamp duty will also be payable - yes, stamp duty is payable on the value of a property on transfer even if no money changes hands. For 'normal' property sales, the price paid by the buyer is generally accepted as the amount liable for stamp duty, but not always so - for example if HMRC determines that the property has been sold for less than the true market value. You can't therefore sell your property to your kids for £100 and avoid stamp duty.

Now to IHT...

Any gift - whether a property or the proceeds of the sale of property in this example - over and above certain annual allowances (lots of detail on HMRC website about what those allowances are), will, as you say, be potentially liable for IHT on death within 7 years of the gift. However, the IHT rate payable on the gift reduces across the 7 years, from 40% on the day of the gift down to 0% on the 7th anniversary. I say "potentially" because it all depends on the size of the estate plus any gifts within the previous 7 years. Put in a simple example: if you have £200,000 of assets and you give half of it away then die a year later leaving £100,000 in your estate, then no IHT will be payable because your estate plus the gift are less than the IHT allowance (£325,000 at present).

I hope this helps.

 

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doi209 Flag Fighting for the weak and innocent... 10 Feb 23 12.46pm Send a Private Message to doi209 Add doi209 as a friend

Originally posted by YT

OK....

Firstly, if you sell your 2nd property "now", that triggers a CGT liability, assuming you sell it for a profit. Put simply, the taxable gain is:

What you sell it for, less the costs of selling (eg estate agent, solicitors fees).
MINUS
What you paid for it, including the costs of buying it, plus what you've spent on 'improvements' over and above 'ongoing maintenance' (HMRC has lots of guidance regarding what can be included)
MINUS
£13,000 - the CGT allowance for this tax year and assuming you've no other capital gains this tax year (NOTE: this figure is set to fall significantly over the next couple of tax years).

If you have a joint owner or owners, you and each of the joint owners does the above calculation for THEIR SHARE of the property. Thus a husband and wife (say) would end up protecting £26,000 of the gain from CGT (IN THIS TAX YEAR - less than £26,000 in future tax years, when the allowance is going to reduce).

If you gift the property to your kids (or to anyone), that is treated as a disposal even if no money changes hands. The above calculation therefore still applies, but the first line of it will be based on a valuation of the property's market value at the time of transfer. That valuation will have to be accepted by HMRC, so you can't claim that the value was 50 quid (for example!). I THINK any costs of transferring the property (eg legal fees) can be deducted from the gain, but this would need to be checked. NB HMRC will in any case be "interested" in the value, because 'ad valorem' stamp duty will also be payable - yes, stamp duty is payable on the value of a property on transfer even if no money changes hands. For 'normal' property sales, the price paid by the buyer is generally accepted as the amount liable for stamp duty, but not always so - for example if HMRC determines that the property has been sold for less than the true market value. You can't therefore sell your property to your kids for £100 and avoid stamp duty.

Now to IHT...

Any gift - whether a property or the proceeds of the sale of property in this example - over and above certain annual allowances (lots of detail on HMRC website about what those allowances are), will, as you say, be potentially liable for IHT on death within 7 years of the gift. However, the IHT rate payable on the gift reduces across the 7 years, from 40% on the day of the gift down to 0% on the 7th anniversary. I say "potentially" because it all depends on the size of the estate plus any gifts within the previous 7 years. Put in a simple example: if you have £200,000 of assets and you give half of it away then die a year later leaving £100,000 in your estate, then no IHT will be payable because your estate plus the gift are less than the IHT allowance (£325,000 at present).

I hope this helps.

The value of a gift for IHT purposes is 100% within the givers estate for the first 2 years and then reduces by 20% per year for the next 5 years to be eventually tax free after 7 years. When making a gift it is advisable to create and keep documentation specifying a) it is a gift b) the amount and c) the date of the gift.
As previously mentioned, individuals also have tax free gift allowances each year and specials (weddings etc).

 

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YT Flag Oxford 10 Feb 23 12.50pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Hi YT -
Many thanks for that - didnt realise it was so involved -
I will take a look over the weekend when I have more time to digest the finer points & see where I will be impacted & by how much, lol

You're welcome. One other thing to bear in mind is that CGT is only a tax on the living. If (say) you die owning a 2nd property worth £200k that cost you £50k, there is no CGT on £150k or any other amount. But the property itself would, of course, be included in your estate in the sum of £200k.

 


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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 10 Feb 23 3.40pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Why would you think that? I've never rented anything to anyone.

im joking, YT.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 10 Feb 23 3.45pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

mortgage free for last 5yrs.
being self employed, it takes the edge of the stress if you have a difficult customer, bad debt, somebody folds owing £.
Had a mixed bag on property, lost money a few times, but luck enough to have done well buying bangers & living in them while they were done up over some years.
impossible situation for young people today, without help.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Feb 23 4.36pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

I think that because we never had money growing up I was not interested in borrowing any (other than the mortgage) so I didnt have credit cards or anything else on the strap, if I couldn't pay cash for it I didnt have it - probably lucky as it turned out -

Indeed. Didn’t have a credit card until in my 40s. Still only use it very occasionally

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Feb 23 4.39pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

If you factor in average wages at that time and do an equivalent at todays values you will find that its not that much different. The difference was in those days we had no government paying some of our bills. My rent at the time was the same as my mortgage.

Yes, average house prices are higher so start off with a flat. An apprentice that I worked with at my final company purchased a flat with a mate when he was 19.

They over paid on the mortgage and three years later sold it as they had both meet girls they wanted to live with. Made a profit of £65K after fee's. The only difference between the generations was that mummy and daddy lent them the deposit. I had no such luxury.

Neither of them smoke and my mate does not drink that much either.

So I suppose it depends on your priorities.

My daughter bought a flat in Guildford ( jeez what an expensive area). She has a good, reasonably well paid job, but still needed held from bank of mum and dad ( luckily we were able to help)

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Feb 23 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What industry do you work in out of interest?

Assuming the '91' in your username is your birth year, I was born in 93 and your experiences seem broadly similar to mine.

I've also managed to buy which next to none of my peers have - I put it mainly down to having an above average income myself, and a long-term partner in the same position. Our combined earnings are/were vastly beyond what 99% of single under-30s could hope to earn. I don't view it as something attainable for a significant majority of people.

I would challenge your third point on consumerism which feels a little bit stereotypical to me - I can't say I really have any friends/colleagues who are living as you describe and moaning about affordability. Those people do exist, but in my experience they are mostly people from better-off backgrounds who know they're due an inheritance one day anyway and thus don't really have any need to plan for the long term.

You are the same age as my daughter and seem to have similar circumstances to her. Before her partner moved in he was paying approximately £1000 in rent for a small studio. She was paying quite a bit less in mortgage payments ( thanks to help with deposit from bank of mum and dad)So by co- habit ing and sharing the mortgage costs etc, they have been able save monthly towards buying a house

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 10 Feb 23 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Got an £800k mortgage. Overpaying by a grand a month, which won’t really touch the sides.
Just finished a big refurb on the house. Was thinking about buying another property , but have gone heavy on pension instead , as I get tax relief on my tax bill.
Plan is to cash the house in 15 years, buy a smaller one and a place abroad, spend the equity and hopefully not touch the pension ( as it doesn’t form part of the estate ) then my kids pay no IHT.
Plan might not pan out, but hoping it does.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 11 Feb 23 6.46am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Didn’t have a credit card until in my 40s. Still only use it very occasionally

I don't know how you manage to live life without credit cards as I have quite a few.

If you shop at Sainsbury and pay with a Sainsbury credit card you get double Nectar points.

I also have a card specifically for overseas holidays which doesn't load the exchange rates and both cards are paid off at the end of each month.

I have a third card for day to day spending which I seem to use quite a lot and that gets paid off every month.

I have a fourth card which I only use for balance transfer offers if I buy something quite expensive so I buy that on my main card then transfer it to this card for a 2% fee and no interest.

How can you live in today's world without a credit card

 

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