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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Jan 23 2.06pm
Originally posted by Willo Of course there are young players in the team but based on my interpretation of the comments made by a member, I highlighted the fact that we have quite a number of players in their 30s and in the twilight of their careers. For avoidance of doubt I repeat that at this juncture I see no justification in calling time on PVs tenure at our club. The blend of experience with youth is often seen as: Wise, mentally strong, well drilled players + pace, flair and enthusiasm It could, however, also be articulated as: Physically inferior, disinterested, over the hill + Naive, shying from responsibility and tactically immature. Has felt a lot like the latter of late. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 Jan 23 2.06pm

Originally posted by Willo

Of course there are young players in the team but based on my interpretation of the comments made by a member, I highlighted the fact that we have quite a number of players in their 30s and in the twilight of their careers.

For avoidance of doubt I repeat that at this juncture I see no justification in calling time on PVs tenure at our club.

The blend of experience with youth is often seen as:

Wise, mentally strong, well drilled players + pace, flair and enthusiasm

It could, however, also be articulated as:

Physically inferior, disinterested, over the hill + Naive, shying from responsibility and tactically immature.

Has felt a lot like the latter of late.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Painter Croydon 09 Jan 23 2.16pm
Originally posted by Willo With the greatest of respect the players you highlighted are in their 30s.You omitted Milivojevic who is also in his 30s as is Tomkins. I accept the argument of an amalgam between experience and youth. My sentiments were merely in response to comments about a "Young team", my words were not laced with any criticism. Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2023 1.06pm) You omitted McArthur, who is also in his 30s. I mentioned players that are regulars in the team, not squad fillers.
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Painter

Croydon 09 Jan 23 2.16pm

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect the players you highlighted are in their 30s.You omitted Milivojevic who is also in his 30s as is Tomkins.

I accept the argument of an amalgam between experience and youth.
My sentiments were merely in response to comments about a "Young team", my words were not laced with any criticism.

Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2023 1.06pm)

You omitted McArthur, who is also in his 30s. I mentioned players that are regulars in the team, not squad fillers.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Jan 23 4.04pm
Originally posted by Willo With the greatest of respect the players you highlighted are in their 30s.You omitted Milivojevic who is also in his 30s as is Tomkins. I accept the argument of an amalgam between experience and youth. My sentiments were merely in response to comments about a "Young team", my words were not laced with any criticism. Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2023 1.06pm) Perhaps we should distinguish between squad and team. Over half the regulars are relative youngsters: - Mitchell 23 - Guehi 21 - Andersen 26 - Olise 21 - Eze 24 - Doucoure 23 (birthday yesterday) - Mateta 25 - Edouard 24 (25 next week) 7 of those 8 would usually form part of the starting 11. With Mitchell having been banned and Mateta and Edouard injured/unwell since the restart, the team has featured more older squad members than usual. As both Edouard and Mateta are now fit again, I expect one of them will start against Chelsea with the other coming on a sub at some point. Likewise, I would expect Mitchell will be back after his ban, and we will back to a relatively young 1st XI.
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doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Jan 23 4.04pm

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect the players you highlighted are in their 30s.You omitted Milivojevic who is also in his 30s as is Tomkins.

I accept the argument of an amalgam between experience and youth.
My sentiments were merely in response to comments about a "Young team", my words were not laced with any criticism.

Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2023 1.06pm)

Perhaps we should distinguish between squad and team.
Over half the regulars are relative youngsters:
- Mitchell 23
- Guehi 21
- Andersen 26
- Olise 21
- Eze 24
- Doucoure 23 (birthday yesterday)
- Mateta 25
- Edouard 24 (25 next week)

7 of those 8 would usually form part of the starting 11. With Mitchell having been banned and Mateta and Edouard injured/unwell since the restart, the team has featured more older squad members than usual. As both Edouard and Mateta are now fit again, I expect one of them will start against Chelsea with the other coming on a sub at some point. Likewise, I would expect Mitchell will be back after his ban, and we will back to a relatively young 1st XI.

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 10 Jan 23 12.28am
Originally posted by rikz We prioritised bringing the average age of the squad down, we've got a young team, we are a midtable team in the strongest and most competitive league in the world. We will have poor runs and poor performances. Do you think we are going to play like City every week ? We don't have a young team, we never played like city nor anyone expected us too.. nice deflect. Our performances have been piss poor - not good enough at all. This was once a quality forum....
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Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 10 Jan 23 12.28am

Originally posted by rikz

We prioritised bringing the average age of the squad down, we've got a young team, we are a midtable team in the strongest and most competitive league in the world. We will have poor runs and poor performances. Do you think we are going to play like City every week ?

We don't have a young team, we never played like city nor anyone expected us too.. nice deflect. Our performances have been piss poor - not good enough at all.

This was once a quality forum....

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 10 Jan 23 12.29am
Originally posted by The Dolphin To be fair to Vaibow and other posters - it is not about playing like City every week. We have our own standards and our performances of late have fallen well below those standards. Losing I can accept - it is the way that we lose that worries me. PV was a combative midfield player with fire in his belly - that does not seem to be a directive given to some of our players. spot on. This was once a quality forum....
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Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 10 Jan 23 12.29am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

To be fair to Vaibow and other posters - it is not about playing like City every week.
We have our own standards and our performances of late have fallen well below those standards.
Losing I can accept - it is the way that we lose that worries me.
PV was a combative midfield player with fire in his belly - that does not seem to be a directive given to some of our players.

spot on.

This was once a quality forum....

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rikz Croydon 10 Jan 23 6.25am
Originally posted by Vaibow We don't have a young team, we never played like city nor anyone expected us too.. nice deflect. Our performances have been piss poor - not good enough at all. Apart from 7 out of 10 outfield players who would usually start are on the right side of their 20's.
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rikz

Croydon 10 Jan 23 6.25am

Originally posted by Vaibow

We don't have a young team, we never played like city nor anyone expected us too.. nice deflect. Our performances have been piss poor - not good enough at all.

Apart from 7 out of 10 outfield players who would usually start are on the right side of their 20's.

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