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HeathMan Purley 13 Dec 22 11.07pm | |
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Problems at both ends. Children go to mum who assesses what is needed, very often a quick kiss and saying you will live - off you go. We are all children when we have health doubts. Triage needs to be more available, and quicker, so that people do not get frustrated by waiting in an overcrowded A&E for hours. At the other end discharge hotels, offering a safe place to continue recovery, and doing tasks as physiotherapy, would get people out of hospitals - increasing capacity.
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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Dec 22 11.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is true. Must be the reason East Germany was so much more successful than West. 'The East German health system is widely regarded as the most advanced in the Communist world. It is also considered a model by the West Germans, whose less comprehensive program is threatening to become impossibly expensive'. Did they have 7 millions waiting for treatment in the DDR? Socialist states generally have good medical care. And, of course, the best sex workers.....
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HeathMan Purley 13 Dec 22 11.20pm | |
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And, of course, the best sex workers..... Dear Steeleye, As Christmas is approaching, I will not ask if you write from experience. Enjoy your Christmas
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Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 22 11.28pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'The East German health system is widely regarded as the most advanced in the Communist world. It is also considered a model by the West Germans, whose less comprehensive program is threatening to become impossibly expensive'. Did they have 7 millions waiting for treatment in the DDR? Socialist states generally have good medical care. And, of course, the best sex workers..... OK. I was talking about their football teams but maybe the DDR players were distracted by the tip top amorous opportunities at their disposal.
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cryrst The garden of England 14 Dec 22 5.15am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It’s hard to know where to start with such lazy s***e but if you think what you earned as an apprentice presumably many decades ago is relevant, I don’t know what to tell you. You also didn’t do 5 years training to get into the role and I’ll take a guess that you weren’t saving lives either. Quite simply, if it was such a decent gig with so many amazing perks there wouldn’t be people leaving in droves and they wouldn’t be struggling to recruit new staff No you are correct. I did 4 and a half years. Close to the five that the nurse does. Maybe I’m just a quick learner
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becky over the moon 14 Dec 22 6.53am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Quite simply, if it was such a decent gig with so many amazing perks there wouldn’t be people leaving in droves and they wouldn’t be struggling to recruit new staff
My Goddaughter was one and so was most of the rest of her intake... and that's just one hospital.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 22 8.30am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I am probably just rehashing previous posts but my view is that it is broken and no amount of money can fix it without huge reform. . There are many valid observations in this thread but the one highlighted above isn’t one of them. The job of a nurse has been upscaled in the last few years so that they can handle many things that previously were only done by a doctor. The more simple things, like changing beds, pads, feeding etc are now done by health care assistants, who are trained on the job. This frees up the doctors! So a degree is sensible and if they leave the profession they don’t leave the student debt they have incurred. It’s far from perfect as it is a huge disincentive to potential applicants.
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Spiderman Horsham 14 Dec 22 9.02am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
. There are many valid observations in this thread but the one highlighted above isn’t one of them. The job of a nurse has been upscaled in the last few years so that they can handle many things that previously were only done by a doctor. The more simple things, like changing beds, pads, feeding etc are now done by health care assistants, who are trained on the job. This frees up the doctors! So a degree is sensible and if they leave the profession they don’t leave the student debt they have incurred. It’s far from perfect as it is a huge disincentive to potential applicants. Very few students will ever repay the debt, as it incurs ridiculous interest. My daughter has a well paid job, having obtained a masters degree. She is repaying every month but will never repay it in full. Sorry off topic
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 22 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by becky
My Goddaughter was one and so was most of the rest of her intake... and that's just one hospital. If you work in the NHS for X number of years I have no problem in the taxpayer paying off the student loan and even a bursary.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Dec 22 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
My Goddaughter was one and so was most of the rest of her intake... and that's just one hospital. Who did away with bursary payments...?
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Midlands Eagle 15 Dec 22 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The job of a nurse has been upscaled in the last few years so that they can handle many things that previously were only done by a doctor. The more simple things, like changing beds, pads, feeding etc are now done by health care assistants, who are trained on the job. You mentioned this before but I'm not sure that it's true. The role of some nurses has been upscaled into nurse practitioners but not all of them. When I mentioned to my staff nurse wife that you had said that nurses no longer have to feed or toilet patients her response was "I wish"
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Midlands Eagle 15 Dec 22 2.28pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The current Tory government if that was a serious question
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