Looking at our results so far there’s no shame in losing to Citeh, Chelski, and the Gooners. Disappointing to lose 3 to Lampard’s mob but it’s a tough away game. Our draws against Newcastle and Liverpool away were a bonus and perhaps made up for the late lapse against Brentford at home. A poor game against Leicester away but we’d take it. Our 4 wins have been against teams we’d hope to beat if we’re going to improve on previous seasons. Overall we’re about where we ought to be in the league and our points tally is about what we might expect.

If we maintain this form we should finish 10th with 45- 50 points. Sign a half decent holding midfielder and a right back and who knows! The current top 6 plus Liverpool will take the European slots but I’d be delighted with 8th position and above the Weed!

you missed the point... a team that finishes 14, let's say it's us, as an example, will only have had 4/5 more wins than a team that finishes 18th. So a cup run where we get 5 extra wins, goes a looong way.

Example, we finished 12th, had 4 more wins than burnley that went down - 11 wins out of 38 isn't amazingly enjoyable but it's good... but we had 4 extra wins in the cup which adds to the fun.

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I think this season will take 46+ points. Seems to me there aren’t 3 stand out teams for relegation and anyone in the bottom 14 can beat anyone. I can’t call who will go down this season and it’ll go down to the wire.

Table wise we are all right, but cannot see many points away. Everton played us off their park and scored 3, yesterday Leicester played them off the same park away and won easily 2-0.
The way we are set up away is seeming not to bring us any points.

I think 50-55 points is very do-able.

wow, 6 points better than the same fixtures last season is a great achievement, especially when you consider the issues/imbalance we have in midfield at the moment.

However, let's not get too carried away. The last 3 home wins (Leeds, Wolves and Saints) were all close and could easily have all been drawn.
Similarly, the point at Newcastle and Leicester were both backs to the wall affairs and of course we won on Sunday with a deflected 94th minute winner.

Over a season these things do seem to balance out.

However, if someone had offered me 19th points from 13 games without playing any of the promoted teams i would have bitten their hand off.

Let's build on this