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Teddy Eagle 30 Sep 22 12.10am | |
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Originally posted by HeathMan
feel that Virgin are trying to make their staff feel comfortable. Society needs to help all people to feel comfortable at all times. In the current economic climate they , and everyone else, have got a lot more serious problems than the perception of other people.
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Spiderman Horsham 30 Sep 22 7.43am | |
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Originally posted by HeathMan
feel that Virgin are trying to make their staff feel comfortable. Society needs to help all people to feel comfortable at all times. mbers This may be so but if it doesn’t make their customers comfortable, they may need a rethink
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 8.36am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You asked. Here it is:- I have no need to answer your second request, because that's not what I suggested. We aren't discussing men in women's changing rooms. We are discussing transgender women in women's changing rooms, compared to predatory women in women's changing rooms. The first is no threat at all. The second is. Everyone needs a better understanding, whatever their sex. My grandchild is far from delusional, or indulging in fantasies. Indeed, the reverse is true. Their feet are firmly grounded whilst you are spouting deluded nonsense. It has everything to do with prejudice. Prejudice I shared until I was forced to reconsider and revise my opinion. We are discussing that. You cannot discuss one without the other. What you are doing is exactly was deluded ideologues on the left want you to do, closely aligned with the deliberately vague and emotive but quite obviously unbalanced and directionless article you have just posted. There is a difference between absolute neutrality and objectiveness in scientific theorem and posting an article deliberately selective in it's approach to try and justify an ideological proposition. We have seen this in recent history with those ideologically driven. Conflating and selectively choosing the vast amount of parameters you 'could' attribute to gender identity with the actual biological determination is at best clutching at straws. Also, introducing social science into what can only be biologically concluded science is quite typical of the b0ll0cks one reads these days. Unfortunately those looking to prove their own idiotic and uneducated prejudices will no doubt cling to as proof or evidence, as you have just demonstrated. There is no evidence or even notion among right thinking individuals that men and women sharing private locations such as toilets or changing rooms had any benefit to anybody other than those who are choosing not to accept the scientific fact of their gender. These people are so few, many of which are societally driven in their thinking, thanks to the likes of you, with no biological science to support their stance. The article you have presented relies upon contradictory stances (supporting what it seeks to endorse in places then ridiculing the same hypothesis elsewhere) and causes more ambiguity, which it seeks to exploit, as opposed to having any real context, application or definitive truth in it. Kudos on the 'I can scour the internet to find something that somewhat supports my nonsense' approach. I'm sure people can and do utilise this approach for just about every single niche thought or delusion they wish to indulge in. Popular with those in America who you so diligently deride. I think it correct and appropriate you do so, however interesting to see you employ the same methodology.
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becky over the moon 30 Sep 22 8.42am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They wouldn't know if it was a transgendered woman, who looks, thinks, smells and behaves just as they do. If it was a hairy assed git in a skirt, they would. The two are not the same, and mustn't be confused. Don't kid yourself WE..... we know. We always know, and women who have had a lifetime to highly develop natural female self-preservation instincts can spot a transgender a mile away. It's just that they are generally tolerated as being of no threat to us.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 9.21am | |
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Originally posted by becky
Don't kid yourself WE..... we know. We always know, and women who have had a lifetime to highly develop natural female self-preservation instincts can spot a transgender a mile away. It's just that they are generally tolerated as being of no threat to us. I seriously doubt that's true. You may suspect people, but could very easily be wrong. Both ways! This is a much more complex issue than appears at first glance. There will be others you don't suspect, but who are indeed transgender, so you will just never know. I have spent quite some time in Asia where this is much more open and accepted, than here. I can assure you that many of the transgender women there are completely undetectable, both by men and women.
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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Sep 22 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why on earth would anyone object to a gender-neutral toilet or changing room? It's a totally safe space that presents no threat, real or imagined, from anyone, and can be used by everyone, irrespective of their sexuality, or whether you approve or not. Toilets and changing rooms are not places for ideological battles. Try showing some charity towards people who had no wish for this to happen, but now it has just want to live safely. Not according to many women and I prefer to listen to the majority view rather than a tiny minority. If there is a male section a female section and a gender neutral fine but it many instances that is not the case e.g. Primark. You say have some charity to those who wish to live safely I do and that is the majority of women who don't want this.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
We are discussing that. You cannot discuss one without the other. What you are doing is exactly was deluded ideologues on the left want you to do, closely aligned with the deliberately vague and emotive but quite obviously unbalanced and directionless article you have just posted. There is a difference between absolute neutrality and objectiveness in scientific theorem and posting an article deliberately selective in it's approach to try and justify an ideological proposition. We have seen this in recent history with those ideologically driven. Conflating and selectively choosing the vast amount of parameters you 'could' attribute to gender identity with the actual biological determination is at best clutching at straws. Also, introducing social science into what can only be biologically concluded science is quite typical of the b0ll0cks one reads these days. Unfortunately those looking to prove their own idiotic and uneducated prejudices will no doubt cling to as proof or evidence, as you have just demonstrated. There is no evidence or even notion among right thinking individuals that men and women sharing private locations such as toilets or changing rooms had any benefit to anybody other than those who are choosing not to accept the scientific fact of their gender. These people are so few, many of which are societally driven in their thinking, thanks to the likes of you, with no biological science to support their stance. The article you have presented relies upon contradictory stances (supporting what it seeks to endorse in places then ridiculing the same hypothesis elsewhere) and causes more ambiguity, which it seeks to exploit, as opposed to having any real context, application or definitive truth in it. Kudos on the 'I can scour the internet to find something that somewhat supports my nonsense' approach. I'm sure people can and do utilise this approach for just about every single niche thought or delusion they wish to indulge in. Popular with those in America who you so diligently deride. I think it correct and appropriate you do so, however interesting to see you employ the same methodology. You asked for scientific proof that you were wrong, and would change your stance. I have provided it. That is a comprehensive presentation of the facts and an analysis of how and why misinformation on this subject gets spread. A spread that you are obviously participating in. To dismiss the reasoning as "deliberately vague and emotive", when it is anything other than that, is clearly nonsensical. It states the scientific basis for why the simple approach you adhere to is simply wrong. If people refuse to withdraw their head from the sand, then there is little more I can do to help them. Read it again, and again, until you actually understand it, rather than start off with a prejudicial desire to dismiss it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 22 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Not according to many women and I prefer to listen to the majority view rather than a tiny minority. If there is a male section a female section and a gender neutral fine but it many instances that is not the case e.g. Primark. You say have some charity to those who wish to live safely I do and that is the majority of women who don't want this. As everyone, including those who "don't want this", can live completely safely when using gender-neutral toilets, I fail to see your objection. They enter alone. They lock the door. They are not going to exit into a threatening space. They are safe. Transgender women wouldn't be if forced to use male toilets.
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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Sep 22 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As everyone, including those who "don't want this", can live completely safely when using gender-neutral toilets, I fail to see your objection. They enter alone. They lock the door. They are not going to exit into a threatening space. They are safe. Transgender women wouldn't be if forced to use male toilets. Try telling that to schoolgirls who have to use gender neutral toilets at school. Anyway it's not just about toilets and changing rooms like I said the majority are being told to accommodate a minority and if they object are accused of being prejudiced.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You asked for scientific proof that you were wrong, and would change your stance. I have provided it. That is a comprehensive presentation of the facts and an analysis of how and why misinformation on this subject gets spread. A spread that you are obviously participating in. To dismiss the reasoning as "deliberately vague and emotive", when it is anything other than that, is clearly nonsensical. It states the scientific basis for why the simple approach you adhere to is simply wrong. If people refuse to withdraw their head from the sand, then there is little more I can do to help them. Read it again, and again, until you actually understand it, rather than start off with a prejudicial desire to dismiss it. No, it does not. It's as simple as that. There's little point arguing with you as you cannot even articulate as to why, hence the employment of any internet source you can dig up that you probably don't understanding yourself but oh so want to validate your opinion. But you keep believing what you want to believe. Perhaps a c0ck is not a c0ck after all and it's just coincidence and nothing to do with biology. BTW, type in something akin to 'why transgenderism is not scientific' and you'll find just as many articles supporting that side of the fence. Difference between you and I however is that I can articulate as to why it's a delusion. You however cannot. You will just echo and parrot whatever ideological bent you have chosen to subscribe to in lieu of an ability to think for yourself. I have already challenged that article in both it's mission and narrative, you are just blindly adhering to it to suit your own will. Just because we can now chop off and add things on, play with hormones etc these days, does not make delusions or psychiatric illnesses truth. Call it 'playing God/nature or whatever you want' but it is not truth just because you wish it to be so, most likely because you have otherwise failed to socially adjust to the world as it is. Then using this untruth to as justification to place women at risk so as to validate your delusion to yourself is not acceptable. Feigning victim status with your tear streamed cries of 'prejudice' and 'hate' is the most pathetic and rightfully ridiculed stance one could take. At no point in scientific, mammalian or human biology has gender ever been questioned until the left were allowed to congregate and scream nonsense hysterically. Just because you are screaming loudly does not make anything factually correct with pseudo and perversions of science being so crudely parodied to fit your agenda.
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Teddy Eagle 30 Sep 22 10.20am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I seriously doubt that's true. You may suspect people, but could very easily be wrong. Both ways! This is a much more complex issue than appears at first glance. There will be others you don't suspect, but who are indeed transgender, so you will just never know. I have spent quite some time in Asia where this is much more open and accepted, than here. I can assure you that many of the transgender women there are completely undetectable, both by men and women. Denying women's lived experience is part of the issue.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Sep 22 10.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have provided it. That is a comprehensive presentation of the facts and an analysis of how and why misinformation on this subject gets spread. A spread that you are obviously participating in. To dismiss the reasoning as "deliberately vague and emotive", when it is anything other than that, is clearly nonsensical. It states the scientific basis for why the simple approach you adhere to is simply wrong. If people refuse to withdraw their head from the sand, then there is little more I can do to help them. Read it again, and again, until you actually understand it, rather than start off with a prejudicial desire to dismiss it. There you go, above. Somebody who has actually gone to far greater lengths than I have to provide context and absolute conclusion on the matter. No it is not a right wing or otherwise source, I disregard such things as I usually do with your rantings, it seems quite legitimate. Note in the comment section others who have been challenged by failures too and used this as quite a nice and polite explanation.
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