Stirling this is the best comment I've read!! When I joined in 2000 we still had homebeat officers. Generally they were old school coppers with a presence but most importantly they knew their beat and patch and knew everything that went on.

They were worth their weight in gold when it came to keeping a lid on things. I saw the homebeat officer removed over time. Coppers now have no idea who is doing what in what area. When I joined I was posted to New Addington on Croydon Borough.
I was quickly taught who to look out for and what they were doing. We kept a lid on things.
We policed a certain way and yes maybe we stretched the rules at times but it was for the greater good if that makes sense!!

We were a proactive Police Force back then and nipped things in the bud before they got out of control.

The Police are a completely reactive force and the attitude is 'let things happen and deal with it later'... I could see this happening in my last 5 years or so and it was so sad to see.
I was so glad to get out in the end and I've not missed it one bit... Genuinely not once!!

They don't want coppers like me anymore and as much as certain things have improved over the years I would take 80, 90s style Policing over what we have today in a heartbeat.

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

KB, this a sad indictment of where things are now, I, for one, had my collar & ear felt by a Bobby doing his job & we had RESPECT for them. The feral rats have NO respect for anyone or thing & if you so much as lay a hand on them, cry foul, snowflake & use the law to THEIR advantage, coz the Police are soft & as culpable as the justice system is. Sad, glad I don't live in UK anymore, that in its self is just as sad.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

If the stats on prosecution and conviction rates are anywhere near correct then there is no deterrent if the chances of being caught and convicted for serious crime are less than 5%.

So many stories where expensive property has been stolen and traced by the owner because of technology and the police, we are told, will not take any action.

KB, do you think this is the current state of affairs or just a few unsubstantiated stories.

Edited by HKOwen (28 Aug 2022 7.04am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Hi YT -
Mostly ranting - looking at your example of the NHS - (& I haven't gone looking for any statistics to support or discredit my original statement) I would have said that the population of the country probably rose quite considerably between 1960 & the modern day so an increase in staff was probably on the cards - as for the increase in GDP, the cost of introduction of the IT age & modern technology & its capability (air ambulances as just an example plucked out of the sky - no pun intended) would for sure increase the overall costs involved in the NHS - if I was being brutally honest my statement revolved more about the Media reporting of what was happening in the NHS- I was 20 in 1980 so by then & going forwards able to understand what was on the news & take some interest, whenever there were reports on the NHS it wasnt good news, regularly there were reports of NHS cuts, streamlining, facilities being closed etc - very few reports of new hospitals being opened, sizeable investments, improved patient care etc etc & on the occasions that I had to visit hospitals it seemed that the wards were always busier with fewer staff, doctors always seemed to have less time, waiting lists seemed to get longer - so without any strong statistical evidence to support it these experience's formed my views -

I dare say that anyone who has worked in the NHS or has spent a decent amount of time involved with it can probably produce a few pages of statistics to either illustrate that we have never had it so good or that its going down the toilet so I will leave that to anyone who wants to wade in -

As I say, it was just my general perception based on life experience growing up & the media reporting that I was exposed to.

If they can pin TR as a terrorist or whatever then I’m sure these scum will get a long sentence. The law can work when it ‘wants’ to. !

and still no arrest, oh these cheeky happy-go-lucky scousers

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.