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 cryrst  The garden of England 18 Jul 22 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I don't doubt the figures you mention. But all over the world there are regions which were once underwater and yet now are several hundred feet above sea level. This all occurred way before man made any difference to the climate and were therefore natural events. These events will continue to come and go on some form of regular cycle, with or without the human race on the planet. My concern is that we must beat ourselves up and pay green taxes to supposedly overcome and control these events. Don’t be so sensible. The industrial revolution caused that. oh hang on a minute, did you say tens of thousands of years ago. Obs our fault
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Stirlingsays  18 Jul 22 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
There's definitely more than 39 of them.
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Teddy Eagle  18 Jul 22 7.24pm |
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| Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 7.25pm |
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I read somewhere that wind farms only contribute 2 percent towards the UK's energy needs. I reckon if they utilised my farts it would contribute more than that.....especially after a heavy Friday night.
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I read somewhere that wind farms only contribute 2 percent towards the UK's energy needs. I reckon if they utilised my farts it would contribute more than that.....especially after a heavy Friday night. Good call and they need to operate maintenance free for 50 years to cover the carbon footprint generated to design manufacture and install. Let alone maintain which adds more to the footprint.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Good call and they need to operate maintenance free for 50 years to cover the carbon footprint generated to design manufacture and install. Let alone maintain which adds more to the footprint. Indeed, it's always been nuclear but the fools farted around for decades. Low quality elites as usual.
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 11.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I read somewhere that wind farms only contribute 2 percent towards the UK's energy needs. I reckon if they utilised my farts it would contribute more than that.....especially after a heavy Friday night. Wind energy generation accounted for 24% of total electricity generation (including renewables and non-renewables) in 2020
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 11.52pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Good call and they need to operate maintenance free for 50 years to cover the carbon footprint generated to design manufacture and install. Let alone maintain which adds more to the footprint. In response to a similar question In 2006, turbine manufacturer Vestas studied the carbon payback period for various turbines. This took into account extraction and manufacturing of raw materials, production of the turbines, their transport, erection, operation, maintenance, dismantling and disposal, and the same for their foundation and the transmission grid. The figure was between seven and nine months, depending on the type of turbine. Other analyses have come up with similar figures. Even taking into account the carbon emitted in transportation and installation of turbines, the payback period is nothing like the 30 years the questioner suggests. It is also worth noting that wind turbines can be recycled at the end of their lives.
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 11.58pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I don't doubt the figures you mention. But all over the world there are regions which were once underwater and yet now are several hundred feet above sea level. This all occurred way before man made any difference to the climate and were therefore natural events. These events will continue to come and go on some form of regular cycle, with or without the human race on the planet. My concern is that we must beat ourselves up and pay green taxes to supposedly overcome and control these events. It is irrelevant unless you care about humankind surviving.
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| Dubai Eagle 19 Jul 22 6.29am |
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I also have no dog in this fight but I tend to take climate change / global warming on a very simplistic level - Global warming is real, but to do anything significant about it takes major investment, which in the main stream of things required from the annual budget very few countries can afford (or there are more urgent causes requiring funding now rather than later) each set of politicians that takes office are largely made up of middle age people who will only be in office a handful of years, so the investment to make any substantial inroads into countering the global warming problem just gets kicked down the road until the next team take up power, rinse & repeat. Quite honestly - government's across the world will delay doing anything substantial for as long as they can because to do something that is going to have a meaningful effect takes major contributions from a majority of nations at the same time - They will only do something "collectively" when there are no alternatives by which time it will probably be too late to reverse the process.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jul 22 7.58am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Wind energy generation accounted for 24% of total electricity generation (including renewables and non-renewables) in 2020 I've looked into this further and it appears the 2 percent figure related to a drop in supply during three weeks to 2-3 percent in 2021. The average though was nearer your figure. So the question is more about the reliability of environmentally based systems. But I'm happy to modify my comment to reflect those findings.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jul 22 8.28am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Wind energy generation accounted for 24% of total electricity generation (including renewables and non-renewables) in 2020 Hang on....this is a more complex picture. As of December 2020, renewable sources generated 40.2% of the electricity produced in the UK. However this was only around 6% of total UK energy usage. So obviously we are importing a lot of our energy requirements. As I stated I'd read that, 'wind farms only contribute 2 percent towards the UK's energy needs.' Obviously I'm far closer to the reality of what this country requires. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2022 8.29am)
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