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cryrst The garden of England 08 Jun 22 5.59am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The only thing there's no doubt about is that you don't understand how our democracy works. It's not the job of an MP, the Parliament which they populate, or the Government that is formed by them, to do anything in response to the "will of the voting British public". Their job is to deliver what their collective wisdom perceives we need, and not what we want. Our job, starts and ends, when we choose who they are. And just maybe, collectively a majority believe leaving the EU is what we need. The fact it allies with more votes for that action from the public is irrelevant. On the subject of brexit alone it is a correct statement. At last you admit it !
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cryrst

The garden of England 08 Jun 22 5.59am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The only thing there's no doubt about is that you don't understand how our democracy works.

It's not the job of an MP, the Parliament which they populate, or the Government that is formed by them, to do anything in response to the "will of the voting British public".

Their job is to deliver what their collective wisdom perceives we need, and not what we want.

Our job, starts and ends, when we choose who they are.

And just maybe, collectively a majority believe leaving the EU is what we need.
The fact it allies with more votes for that action from the public is irrelevant.
On the subject of brexit alone it is a correct statement. At last you admit it !

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W12 08 Jun 22 6.48am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The only thing there's no doubt about is that you don't understand how our democracy works. It's not the job of an MP, the Parliament which they populate, or the Government that is formed by them, to do anything in response to the "will of the voting British public". Their job is to deliver what their collective wisdom perceives we need, and not what we want. Our job, starts and ends, when we choose who they are. That’s democracy is it?
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W12 08 Jun 22 6.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The only thing there's no doubt about is that you don't understand how our democracy works.

It's not the job of an MP, the Parliament which they populate, or the Government that is formed by them, to do anything in response to the "will of the voting British public".

Their job is to deliver what their collective wisdom perceives we need, and not what we want.

Our job, starts and ends, when we choose who they are.

That’s democracy is it?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Jun 22 7.50am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle In under-developed countries, that's true. Religion is the primary source of conflict. There is though every reason to believe it won't happen here, or in any other modern country like the UK. There is plenty of evidence already. Just look at how we have absorbed the inflows over the past 50 years. They present challenges, and cause the kind of resentment to be read here, but as the generations pass these lessen. White flight and ghettos that the yoof are even proud of, that Croydon is as sh1t as inner London, is not it lessening. You e been in Cornwall so long you’re blind to it. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Jun 22 7.50am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In under-developed countries, that's true. Religion is the primary source of conflict. There is though every reason to believe it won't happen here, or in any other modern country like the UK. There is plenty of evidence already. Just look at how we have absorbed the inflows over the past 50 years. They present challenges, and cause the kind of resentment to be read here, but as the generations pass these lessen.

White flight and ghettos that the yoof are even proud of, that Croydon is as sh1t as inner London, is not it lessening. You e been in Cornwall so long you’re blind to it.

COYP

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BlueJay UK 08 Jun 22 8.03am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yawn. Well no, not 'yawn'. If you keep referencing me, as you did twice yesterday yes I'll reply. You spent your day being taken to task for verifiably third rate, zero contrition behaviour towards your own. If you wish to line up more predictable misery for them along the line by judging the race of grandkids, that's for you. However when you make claims that people have some kind of issue with your Grandchildren being genetically European it will be corrected.. You're projecting your own racism onto others. Clearly nobody on here believes such a thing. What has been said is that you have a perfect right to make choices with regard to your own partner, and that same right applies to your children. The implication that you would prefer your Grandchildren to be a certain race, implies, indeed necessitates you viewing them differently if they aren't that race. You seem pained by the idea that it's an inevitability that eventually your family line will have more links to elsewhere. You call it a lie. As stated, it has very little to do with you and is of course inevitable because your level of indocrination is both unusual, and dies upon being exposed to the sunlight of a normal social existence. In a long line going forward, they won't all be shut-ins, boy. You clearly have a low bar for how to treat others, and yet you feel that even future generations owe you something. I'm afraid not. Edited by BlueJay (08 Jun 2022 9.18am)
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BlueJay

UK 08 Jun 22 8.03am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yawn.

Well no, not 'yawn'. If you keep referencing me, as you did twice yesterday yes I'll reply. You spent your day being taken to task for verifiably third rate, zero contrition behaviour towards your own. If you wish to line up more predictable misery for them along the line by judging the race of grandkids, that's for you. However when you make claims that people have some kind of issue with your Grandchildren being genetically European it will be corrected..

You're projecting your own racism onto others. Clearly nobody on here believes such a thing. What has been said is that you have a perfect right to make choices with regard to your own partner, and that same right applies to your children. The implication that you would prefer your Grandchildren to be a certain race, implies, indeed necessitates you viewing them differently if they aren't that race. You seem pained by the idea that it's an inevitability that eventually your family line will have more links to elsewhere. You call it a lie. As stated, it has very little to do with you and is of course inevitable because your level of indocrination is both unusual, and dies upon being exposed to the sunlight of a normal social existence. In a long line going forward, they won't all be shut-ins, boy. You clearly have a low bar for how to treat others, and yet you feel that even future generations owe you something. I'm afraid not.

Edited by BlueJay (08 Jun 2022 9.18am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Jun 22 8.14am
Originally posted by cryrst And just maybe, collectively a majority believe leaving the EU is what we need. The fact it allies with more votes for that action from the public is irrelevant. On the subject of brexit alone it is a correct statement. At last you admit it ! What WE doesn't accept is that the job of an MP is to implement what they promised the electorate at the GE. It is a convention unfortunately not a law. An MP that stands for a party and supports the major policies of that party at the GE is expected to vote for them. The exception to that is if the candidate tells the electorate during the campaign that they disagree. That is why I have not criticised Ken Clarke he always made it clear to his voters he was a Remainer and would vote against Brexit. MPs are not robots so outside of the major policies they can and do vote with their conscience which is why most manifestos don't mention emotive subjects such as capital punishment or abortion as they know these are matter of conscience. A rump of Tory MPs lied to their voters that they supported Brexit and then did everything they could to sabotage it. Mrs May was too weak to bring them to heal and so for over a year they defied their own whip on a major policy without consequence. Boris for all his failings did the right thing and kicked them out. The only person I felt sorry for was Ken Clarke and the tiny handful of MPs like him. At the next GE none of them got elected they knew the game was up and either retired or failed with their new parties. Let that be a lesson to all, stop lying to the public. Remember Anna Sourbry and the like refused to resign and call a by election so they could put their case to the voters. That is what sunk them. Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.18am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 08 Jun 22 8.14am

Originally posted by cryrst

What WE doesn't accept is that the job of an MP is to implement what they promised the electorate at the GE. It is a convention unfortunately not a law.

An MP that stands for a party and supports the major policies of that party at the GE is expected to vote for them. The exception to that is if the candidate tells the electorate during the campaign that they disagree. That is why I have not criticised Ken Clarke he always made it clear to his voters he was a Remainer and would vote against Brexit.

MPs are not robots so outside of the major policies they can and do vote with their conscience which is why most manifestos don't mention emotive subjects such as capital punishment or abortion as they know these are matter of conscience.

A rump of Tory MPs lied to their voters that they supported Brexit and then did everything they could to sabotage it. Mrs May was too weak to bring them to heal and so for over a year they defied their own whip on a major policy without consequence.

Boris for all his failings did the right thing and kicked them out.

The only person I felt sorry for was Ken Clarke and the tiny handful of MPs like him.

At the next GE none of them got elected they knew the game was up and either retired or failed with their new parties. Let that be a lesson to all, stop lying to the public.

Remember Anna Sourbry and the like refused to resign and call a by election so they could put their case to the voters. That is what sunk them.

Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.18am)

One more point

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BlueJay UK 08 Jun 22 8.26am
Originally posted by W12 I think any argument about indigenous rights, replacement or racial bias is secondary to the most important point. Whatever your view on any of these subjects (which are secondary) the point people need to focus on and understand is that policy and law was in enacted under both labour but especially conservatives that was in direct opposition to the will of the voting British public. Of that there can be no doubt. On that topic.. If people are born here they do and always will have the same rights as you do, as they should. 'If' it's your belief that my family should have fewer rights than yours on racial grounds that is clearly a ridiculous idea and one that will be perceived as more and more so over time. There is a stark difference between having a strident view on immigration, even if it involves closing the border going forward, and a fringe take that you can take rights away from some based on whoever their parents or grandparents may be. It's the unworkable wishlist of the lunatic fringe. And ironly half of those holding such views talk about moving to Hungary and the like in future. Good luck with that. They'll get treated precisely the same way as they treat others they deem to be outsiders. Poetic justice.
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BlueJay

UK 08 Jun 22 8.26am

Originally posted by W12

I think any argument about indigenous rights, replacement or racial bias is secondary to the most important point.

Whatever your view on any of these subjects (which are secondary) the point people need to focus on and understand is that policy and law was in enacted under both labour but especially conservatives that was in direct opposition to the will of the voting British public.

Of that there can be no doubt.

On that topic..

If people are born here they do and always will have the same rights as you do, as they should. 'If' it's your belief that my family should have fewer rights than yours on racial grounds that is clearly a ridiculous idea and one that will be perceived as more and more so over time.

There is a stark difference between having a strident view on immigration, even if it involves closing the border going forward, and a fringe take that you can take rights away from some based on whoever their parents or grandparents may be. It's the unworkable wishlist of the lunatic fringe.

And ironly half of those holding such views talk about moving to Hungary and the like in future. Good luck with that. They'll get treated precisely the same way as they treat others they deem to be outsiders. Poetic justice.

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georgenorman 08 Jun 22 8.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle In under-developed countries, that's true. Religion is the primary source of conflict. There is though every reason to believe it won't happen here, or in any other modern country like the UK. There is plenty of evidence already. Just look at how we have absorbed the inflows over the past 50 years. They present challenges, and cause the kind of resentment to be read here, but as the generations pass these lessen. There is racial tension and conflict in the USA, hardly an under-developed country. Similar race/religion/language problems in many developed countries.
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georgenorman

08 Jun 22 8.33am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In under-developed countries, that's true. Religion is the primary source of conflict. There is though every reason to believe it won't happen here, or in any other modern country like the UK. There is plenty of evidence already. Just look at how we have absorbed the inflows over the past 50 years. They present challenges, and cause the kind of resentment to be read here, but as the generations pass these lessen.

There is racial tension and conflict in the USA, hardly an under-developed country. Similar race/religion/language problems in many developed countries.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.39am
Originally posted by cryrst And just maybe, collectively a majority believe leaving the EU is what we need. The fact it allies with more votes for that action from the public is irrelevant. On the subject of brexit alone it is a correct statement. At last you admit it ! That they voted to trigger Article 50 does not mean that they believed it was in our best interests. They did so because a PM foolishly made a commitment to honour the result of a referendum, which was then confirmed in manifestos. That was a shameful political error which I trust will never be repeated. That some MPs had the integrity to stand up for their principles and fight against that error is to their great credit. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.39am

Originally posted by cryrst

That they voted to trigger Article 50 does not mean that they believed it was in our best interests. They did so because a PM foolishly made a commitment to honour the result of a referendum, which was then confirmed in manifestos. That was a shameful political error which I trust will never be repeated.

That some MPs had the integrity to stand up for their principles and fight against that error is to their great credit.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.41am
Originally posted by W12 That’s democracy is it? It's our democracy. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.41am

Originally posted by W12

That’s democracy is it?

It's our democracy.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.45am
Originally posted by Badger11 What WE doesn't accept is that the job of an MP is to implement what they promised the electorate at the GE. It is a convention unfortunately not a law. An MP that stands for a party and supports the major policies of that party at the GE is expected to vote for them. The exception to that is if the candidate tells the electorate during the campaign that they disagree. That is why I have not criticised Ken Clarke he always made it clear to his voters he was a Remainer and would vote against Brexit. MPs are not robots so outside of the major policies they can and do vote with their conscience which is why most manifestos don't mention emotive subjects such as capital punishment or abortion as they know these are matter of conscience. A rump of Tory MPs lied to their voters that they supported Brexit and then did everything they could to sabotage it. Mrs May was too weak to bring them to heal and so for over a year they defied their own whip on a major policy without consequence. Boris for all his failings did the right thing and kicked them out. The only person I felt sorry for was Ken Clarke and the tiny handful of MPs like him. At the next GE none of them got elected they knew the game was up and either retired or failed with their new parties. Let that be a lesson to all, stop lying to the public. Remember Anna Sourbry and the like refused to resign and call a by election so they could put their case to the voters. That is what sunk them. Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.18am) You are just repeating what you asserted before. Repetition of an erroneous statement doesn't make it true. There is no kind way to say this, but you are simply wrong. What you might expect of an MP makes no difference to what their job actually is. Your view mirrors what the Unions expect of those Labour MPs they sponsor. They are wrong, and so are you. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.45am

Originally posted by Badger11

What WE doesn't accept is that the job of an MP is to implement what they promised the electorate at the GE. It is a convention unfortunately not a law.

Boris for all his failings did the right thing and kicked them out.

The only person I felt sorry for was Ken Clarke and the tiny handful of MPs like him.

At the next GE none of them got elected they knew the game was up and either retired or failed with their new parties. Let that be a lesson to all, stop lying to the public.

Remember Anna Sourbry and the like refused to resign and call a by election so they could put their case to the voters. That is what sunk them.

Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.18am)

You are just repeating what you asserted before.

Repetition of an erroneous statement doesn't make it true. There is no kind way to say this, but you are simply wrong.

What you might expect of an MP makes no difference to what their job actually is. Your view mirrors what the Unions expect of those Labour MPs they sponsor. They are wrong, and so are you.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.48am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman White flight and ghettos that the yoof are even proud of, that Croydon is as sh1t as inner London, is not it lessening. You e been in Cornwall so long you’re blind to it. It will lessen. Maybe not soon enough for you to notice, but it will. I might live in Cornwall, but I travel, have ears, eyes and a brain. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 8.48am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

White flight and ghettos that the yoof are even proud of, that Croydon is as sh1t as inner London, is not it lessening. You e been in Cornwall so long you’re blind to it.

It will lessen. Maybe not soon enough for you to notice, but it will.

I might live in Cornwall, but I travel, have ears, eyes and a brain.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 08 Jun 22 8.57am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That they voted to trigger Article 50 does not mean that they believed it was in our best interests. They did so because a PM foolishly made a commitment to honour the result of a referendum, which was then confirmed in manifestos. That was a shameful political error which I trust will never be repeated. That some MPs had the integrity to stand up for their principles and fight against that error is to their great credit. So you categorically know these MPs thoughts and beliefs. Geez you are one amazing person. Not only are you never controversial, never have the wrong opinion, are always right and have all the facts; you are also a mind reader!
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The garden of England 08 Jun 22 8.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That some MPs had the integrity to stand up for their principles and fight against that error is to their great credit.

So you categorically know these MPs thoughts and beliefs.
Geez you are one amazing person. Not only are you never controversial, never have the wrong opinion, are always right and have all the facts; you are also a mind reader!

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