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 thai-eagle  chiang mai 06 Dec 21 4.34pm |
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When I see Benteke, Ayew, Kouyate, and Schlupp in the starting line-up (like at Old Tr), I know what kind of game we will see. And it is far, far from the system our new manager goes for.
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Den1923  06 Dec 21 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Think you are not misunderstanding the point. I'm not judging Benteke's all round game. But if Tompkins is going to launch the ball at every opportunity Benteke is the better option. I do understand what your saying, sadly Tomkins and Benteke are not going to solve our current problems if PV wants to continue with the modern passing and high pressing attacking football, we need mobility and I have no confidence in Benteke as a holding player he just does not have the floor skills or any speed and whilst I accept he can head a ball he cannot control where it goes most of the time and very few goals in the modern premier league come from headers it more likely to be from high intensity passing football within the penalty area!
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palace99  New Mills 07 Dec 21 9.55am |
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Originally posted by Painter
Ayew being made the scapegoat again, the guy gives 100% every game. It's a team game, he can't be solely responsible for every defeat. Edited by Painter (05 Dec 2021 10.17pm) Agree. There were many issues with the Man U performance and Ayew was pretty low down that list. PV clearly prefers him away from home - it worked quite well a few weeks back at Man City. On Sunday Tekkers and Zaha were poor, in midfield CK and Jeff proved they can't hold and pass the ball (you can only play one of the 2) and in defence Tomkins and to a lesser extent Clyne were uncomfortable with the ball yet we persisted trying to pass the ball out from the back. I've mentioned 6 players - Ayew is not one of them.
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| MrRobbo Chaldon 07 Dec 21 10.00am |
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No, you are still misunderstanding. I am in no way saying that Benteke and Tomkins are the answer. At the minute we are not playing high intensity pressing football. We are not winning the ball high up the pitch, or dictating play. We are surviving. The opposition is positionally marking Marc, and then pressing Tomkins who is hoofing it long every time. Whilst we have Tomkins in the team we are unable to retain the ball. OE cant do anything in that type of game. So I am saying that whilst we are playing like this, Benteke is the better option up top. Unfortunately our answer is to get Anderson back as quickly as possible. Then we can start to play some decent football and bring OE back in.
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| Den1923 07 Dec 21 10.18am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
No, you are still misunderstanding. I am in no way saying that Benteke and Tomkins are the answer. At the minute we are not playing high intensity pressing football. We are not winning the ball high up the pitch, or dictating play. We are surviving. The opposition is positionally marking Marc, and then pressing Tomkins who is hoofing it long every time. Whilst we have Tomkins in the team we are unable to retain the ball. OE cant do anything in that type of game. So I am saying that whilst we are playing like this, Benteke is the better option up top. Unfortunately our answer is to get Anderson back as quickly as possible. Then we can start to play some decent football and bring OE back in. The best holding player we have and a real workhorse for the team is Ayew!
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Dec 21 10.47am |
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Tricky one - he is one of our better players in build up; great ball carrier, presses well and covers ground but when you're a forward player with, you have to be judged on output to some extent.. his output is literally as bad as you'll see in top level football. I'd keep him in the squad, but I lean towards saying a forward player as poor as he is in front of goal is just not good enough for the level we're at. He's scored 12 in 114 games for us, and when you think 9 of those came in the 19/20 season, that's a record of 3 goals in 77 games outside of that year. It's just not enough, as much as I like him.
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| Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 07 Dec 21 6.15pm |
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If we could get the same work rate out of Olise - Ayew wouldn’t get a look in imo. I also agree Shlupp in CM is “square peg - round hole” situation and odd given Hughes was sat on the bench.
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| thai-eagle chiang mai 08 Dec 21 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Tricky one - he is one of our better players in build up; great ball carrier, presses well and covers ground but when you're a forward player with, you have to be judged on output to some extent.. his output is literally as bad as you'll see in top level football. I'd keep him in the squad, but I lean towards saying a forward player as poor as he is in front of goal is just not good enough for the level we're at. He's scored 12 in 114 games for us, and when you think 9 of those came in the 19/20 season, that's a record of 3 goals in 77 games outside of that year. It's just not enough, as much as I like him. That says it all really, we can not afford him in the offensive unit. OK, he works his socks off, but usually give the ball away, get a free kick or give one. And his final ball - either a cross or a shot - - please don't mention it!
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 08 Dec 21 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by thai-eagle
That says it all really, we can not afford him in the offensive unit. OK, he works his socks off, but usually give the ball away, get a free kick or give one. And his final ball - either a cross or a shot - - please don't mention it! if you add Ayews 3 in 77 to Benteke's 20 in 118, 23 in nearly 200 games, very poor by anyone's standard
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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| A89M Streatham 08 Dec 21 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
No, you are still misunderstanding. I am in no way saying that Benteke and Tomkins are the answer. At the minute we are not playing high intensity pressing football. We are not winning the ball high up the pitch, or dictating play. We are surviving. The opposition is positionally marking Marc, and then pressing Tomkins who is hoofing it long every time. Whilst we have Tomkins in the team we are unable to retain the ball. OE cant do anything in that type of game. So I am saying that whilst we are playing like this, Benteke is the better option up top. Unfortunately our answer is to get Anderson back as quickly as possible. Then we can start to play some decent football and bring OE back in. Very good analysis. Anderson not only looks comfortable on the ball but when he has to bypass the press, he connects with his man 9/10 times (mainly Mitchell), we then work it forward in their final third. It leaves the opposition in a dilemma as they have to worry about what's behind them when pressing, allowing us to then build from the back as there's more space left from their uncertainty. Tomkins can get it forward but its the accuracy that he lacks. It's more of a hoof to Benteke than a pick out from Anderson. We have a very good starting 11, good attacking options but its our CB options that need upgrading if we are to continue to play this style of football without Anderson.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 12 Dec 21 7.09pm |
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three cheers for Ayew today.
Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford |
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 12 Dec 21 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
three cheers for Ayew today. Hip, hip etc
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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