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george1212 Flag london 08 Aug 21 12.15pm Send a Private Message to george1212 Add george1212 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Blimey you did have problems identifying players, Gallaghers pass was to Ayew!
Seriously I agree with your post

Haha, hazy recollection - I definitely wouldn't make it as a match day commentator

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 08 Aug 21 4.03pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Bright pointed out that under the new system when we go forward we change into a 3-5-2 formation with Ward joining the centre backs, Mitchell moving to left-wing and Zaha playing more central, but when defending we revert to an almost 4-5-1 formation. Seemed to work really well and the players (apart from possibly Schlupp) seemed to know what they were doing.

That's interesting. Being at the ground yesterday I obviously didn't get to hear Brights analysis, and I presume he has had the benefit of seeing all the preseason games in full, which I haven't.

It did occur to me that the reason Mitchell got forward so much more than Ward might be because of the particular players ahead of either fullback.

On our left, Zaha of course looks to drive inside every time, which creates the space for Mitchell to overlap. These two were supported by McArthur who is very comfortable with the ball and has an excellent football brain, and generally provides good service to those running ahead of him rather than looking to run forward himself.

On our right however, the right footed Ayew holds the width, blocking the space Ward might otherwise overlap into. If Ayew does drive infield then the nearest supporting midfielder is Schlupp, who for all of his many attributes certainly isn't a metronomic playmaking passer, and remains far better making a forward run himself, which he did to noticeable effect when he briefly found himself on the left side of the midfield.

It would be interesting to see if Ward or Clyne get forward more if and when a left footer is deployed on our right wing.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 08 Aug 21 5.02pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That's interesting. Being at the ground yesterday I obviously didn't get to hear Brights analysis, and I presume he has had the benefit of seeing all the preseason games in full, which I haven't.

It did occur to me that the reason Mitchell got forward so much more than Ward might be because of the particular players ahead of either fullback.

On our left, Zaha of course looks to drive inside every time, which creates the space for Mitchell to overlap. These two were supported by McArthur who is very comfortable with the ball and has an excellent football brain, and generally provides good service to those running ahead of him rather than looking to run forward himself.

On our right however, the right footed Ayew holds the width, blocking the space Ward might otherwise overlap into. If Ayew does drive infield then the nearest supporting midfielder is Schlupp, who for all of his many attributes certainly isn't a metronomic playmaking passer, and remains far better making a forward run himself, which he did to noticeable effect when he briefly found himself on the left side of the midfield.

It would be interesting to see if Ward or Clyne get forward more if and when a left footer is deployed on our right wing.

Bright did appear to have quite a bit of insight into our tactics, beyond stating the obvious. I think the idea of Ward slipping in to make a back three when we attack quite a clever idea. The downside of this is that Ayew never looks a natural right-winger, while Rak-Sakyi doesn't look ready to be a regular starter yet. I agree that Schlupp looked uncomfortable in his role. Last season he was at his most effective driving forward from the left of midfield. Personally I don't see him working that well in the new system as his qualities are his pace and directness, but he has surprised me before so who knows. If Mitchell is out for the Chelsea game he might be the best option at left-back.

What I am enjoying is that the team seem to have a clear idea about what Viera wants and it seems clever without being overly complicated. My big worry is that against teams like Chelsea I wonder if Riedewald will afford enough protection for the backline. I imagine PV has already worked on tactics for when we play the big guns so now we just wait and see.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 08 Aug 21 5.25pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Bright did appear to have quite a bit of insight into our tactics, beyond stating the obvious. I think the idea of Ward slipping in to make a back three when we attack quite a clever idea. The downside of this is that Ayew never looks a natural right-winger, while Rak-Sakyi doesn't look ready to be a regular starter yet. I agree that Schlupp looked uncomfortable in his role. Last season he was at his most effective driving forward from the left of midfield. Personally I don't see him working that well in the new system as his qualities are his pace and directness, but he has surprised me before so who knows. If Mitchell is out for the Chelsea game he might be the best option at left-back.

What I am enjoying is that the team seem to have a clear idea about what Viera wants and it seems clever without being overly complicated. My big worry is that against teams like Chelsea I wonder if Riedewald will afford enough protection for the backline. I imagine PV has already worked on tactics for when we play the big guns so now we just wait and see.

I thought Schlupps discomfort when taking part in build up play was tangible. If you stop him from bursting forwards you are preventing him from showing his strengths, but by asking him to reinvent himself as a playmaker you're going one further and exposing his weaknesses.

Hopefully Vieira will incorporate Schlupps explosive forward bursts into the game plan, as he's such an asset.

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 08 Aug 21 8.31pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Great to see Wilf being made Captain and show some form, think PV might get the best out of Wilf.

 

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sprites Flag Auckland 08 Aug 21 9.07pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Great to see Wilf being made Captain and show some form, think PV might get the best out of Wilf.

Disagree. Sending entirely the wrong message. But that's just me.

 

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Omph Flag Liverpool 08 Aug 21 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Bright did appear to have quite a bit of insight into our tactics, beyond stating the obvious. I think the idea of Ward slipping in to make a back three when we attack quite a clever idea. The downside of this is that Ayew never looks a natural right-winger, while Rak-Sakyi doesn't look ready to be a regular starter yet. I agree that Schlupp looked uncomfortable in his role. Last season he was at his most effective driving forward from the left of midfield. Personally I don't see him working that well in the new system as his qualities are his pace and directness, but he has surprised me before so who knows. If Mitchell is out for the Chelsea game he might be the best option at left-back.

What I am enjoying is that the team seem to have a clear idea about what Viera wants and it seems clever without being overly complicated. My big worry is that against teams like Chelsea I wonder if Riedewald will afford enough protection for the backline. I imagine PV has already worked on tactics for when we play the big guns so now we just wait and see.

Didn't watch and really appreciate your analysis.

It is a decent idea. Dare I say it, it's not dissimilar to what Potter does with Brighton on occasion at least - though he tinkers a good deal.

There is some form of precedent here for a team that was quintessential low block under Hughton being successfully transformed into a more progressive side. It did take a season of tricky transition to get there mind
but I thought under him but last time out they played some very good football.

 

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Omph Flag Liverpool 08 Aug 21 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Omph Add Omph as a friend

Originally posted by Omph

Didn't watch and really appreciate your analysis.

It is a decent idea. Dare I say it, it's not dissimilar to what Potter does with Brighton on occasion at least - though he tinkers a good deal often mid match.

There is some form of precedent here for a team that was quintessential low block under Hughton being successfully transformed into a more progressive side. It did take a season of tricky transition to get there mind
but I thought under him but last time out they played some very good football.

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 08 Aug 21 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

Disagree. Sending entirely the wrong message. But that's just me.

I take it your not a fan of Wilf? Just reading between the lines like…

 

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OneMax Flag Maidstone 09 Aug 21 5.29pm Send a Private Message to OneMax Add OneMax as a friend

I think Zaha is a our best player by far maybe our best player ever but Wilf being made Captain when he has said he would like to leave the Club does sit well with me.
That said I hope he does not get his move commits to the Club and becomes Captain this season.

Edited by OneMax (09 Aug 2021 5.30pm)

 

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