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Matov 07 May 21 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
This battle between the Far Left and the (supposed) Right of the Labour party is nothing more than political onanism. As your photograph so graphically shows, the wider problem is exactly that. Who is going to want a party that goes down so easily on its knees for foreign Marxists? Were there any senior/serious Labour politicians who did not go down on their knees? Are there senior/serious Labour politicians who will resist such lunacy as believing women should not be called "expectant mothers" as it could offend transgender people? Can any senior/serious Labour politicians make a pretty basic statement such as 'British jobs for British workers?'. And if they can voice such opinions, can they actually get any proposals based around that through Labour conferences? The blight in Labour is not about Corbyn or Starmer. It is about identity dogma. And they are all cultists to it. Which ain't changing, any time soon.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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HKOwen Hong Kong 08 May 21 12.06am | |
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Conventional wisdom = This is Boris' Falklands moment = He wins next election easily = Labour lurches to the Left in a repeat of Corbyn = End of Labour party
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 08 May 21 6.32am | |
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I wanted to vote SNP but they didn't put up anyone in Maidstone.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 21 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
I wanted to vote SNP but they didn't put up anyone in Maidstone. Agreed I think the SNP would pick up quite a few votes in England.
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Matov 08 May 21 7.14pm | |
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So Keir Starmer takes responsibility by....sacking Angela Rayner. LOL. f***ing beautiful.
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steeleye20 Croydon 08 May 21 8.34pm | |
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Labour could turn this around quite quickly with good policies, but the leader had none, and must go. The tories have not done all that well, they only have a by-election win in an untypical constituency with a dismal turnout, and despite the numbers, only won control of 11 councils. Big win for labour in Wales. SNP in Scotland and majority independence support. Khan about to be re-elected in London, Manchester and Liverpool labour. Starmer has been a disaster, strange he seemed such an experienced able politician, but he just doesn't get any of it, impervious to any reason or constructive criticism. Resign Sir Keir, and let the movement have a new leader and direction.
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martin2412 Living The Dream 08 May 21 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed I think the SNP would pick up quite a few votes in England. Too right. There's plenty of English who couldn't give a toss if Scotland went solo. It would be interesting to see how long they could afford free prescriptions and no university tuition fees when they have to fund it themselves.
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AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 08 May 21 9.04pm | |
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Why is Johnson so against them leaving then?
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Matov 08 May 21 9.20pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The tories have not done all that well, they only have a by-election win in an untypical constituency with a dismal turnout, and despite the numbers, only won control of 11 councils. LOL. Thats beautiful.
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Matov 08 May 21 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by AuntyAnne70
Why is Johnson so against them leaving then? Legacy. Its a bit rum for a leader of the Conservative and Union party to lose Scotland on their watch. Apparently, the wider HMG apparatus are also concerned about losing the Nuclear submarine base as well. The Navy love it because it allows their subs to go deep very very quickly meaning they are almost impossible to track when they leave their bases. They could switch it to a base in Wales but it would cause all kinds of problems. But Scotland is not going to vote for leave. If you look at what the SNP are after, it is not necessarily a referendum but rather to have the power to call one. Personally, I would rather their bluff was called and another referendum held because I would be doubly confident of Scotland voting no but it won't happen. If it does, and the SNP lose, then I reckon Labour might start gaining back seats. The entire SNP brand is based around its supposed claims for independence which allows it to cloud just how s*** it actually is at running things. Plus they are always useful for raising the spectre of a Labour coalition with them. So the Tories get to keep control in Westminster and the SNP get to hide behind plenty of flag-waving and kilt-wearing thus avoiding the really hard questions about Scotlands shocking level of drug-related deaths and numerous other issues.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 21 9.30pm | |
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Originally posted by AuntyAnne70
Why is Johnson so against them leaving then? Because it's the Conservative and Unionist Party. Next you'll be saying that people in the Labour Party don't like the working class oh wait...
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 21 9.35pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Labour could turn this around quite quickly with good policies, but the leader had none, and must go. The tories have not done all that well, they only have a by-election win in an untypical constituency with a dismal turnout, and despite the numbers, only won control of 11 councils. Big win for labour in Wales. SNP in Scotland and majority independence support. Khan about to be re-elected in London, Manchester and Liverpool labour. Starmer has been a disaster, strange he seemed such an experienced able politician, but he just doesn't get any of it, impervious to any reason or constructive criticism. Resign Sir Keir, and let the movement have a new leader and direction. You have a great sense of humour. Tories been in power since 2010, major pandemic, job losses mid term elections. Labour should have wiped the floor with them on Thursday.
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