I think the overriding reason why taking the knee should end and should never has started is quite simply that it has no effect on anything related to racism whatsonever other than achieve greater division and provide a busier and more sensational 24 hour news cycle for the media and give politicians something to pretend they care about.

Well yeah.....I kind of agree with you. Footballers aren't usually that bright and will take the path most taken by others.....Essentially they do as they are told....so this club kneel yet QPR stopped kneeling....how much concern do you think the individual player had?

England would kneel other countries wouldn't....I'm sure that most players would just do what the consensus said. They are there to have careers not die on pointless political hills.

However if someone does a Nazi salute would you say that they aren't supporting the Nazis? I would imagine most on the left would say they are..... Some gestures are just strongly linked with other organisations. But when it's been a gesture also done by communists suddenly they aren't as bothered.

You or I wouldn't say that the English players who did the Nazi salute in the thirties were Nazis. Yet they did what was expected of them....because that's what most footballers try to do.

I have little doubt that there are white players who would much rather not kneel but then again I should imagine they don't want the fallout either.....which would come from the usual suspects.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2021 4.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We'd all like to know.

All it has done is antagonise people.

It was completely unnecessary in the first place and now, predictably, the negative fall out is now being used as a justification.

Who could have predicted that? Ermmm..

They know it’s winding people up (including many of their own fans) and they still persist - why do you think that is?

Clearly they don’t agree with your assessment of the country, as is their right.

Certainly, not contested.

Some footballers will be more political and interested in this stuff than others: that's natural variation.

I was making that point....however it has to be said that what they are doing is extremely divisive yet safe for them as footballers....as in it won't affect their pay and accords with their 'bubble'.

However, while they insist upon their right to free speech their supporters seek to deny and demonise the free speech of the crowd that are made to watch it.

I would say the political taking of the kneel is exclusive to the left or liberal. I'm certainly not built from that soy myself.

Like I said, I don't believe that most of them are actively promoting communism....hell I believe most of them are seeking the easiest path available.....you will see who truly believes in this when it's called off because the real believers will carry on.

As for me 'listening', don't you think I've heard all this before? I grew up in Stockwell, Brixton, I know all about 'racism'.....I lived in an area that was majority non white.

The 'anti racism' crowd are living in cloud cuckoo land and the whole debate....well, there isn't actually a debate it's one side lecturing everybody else with no right of reply. The whole debate is dominated by the diversity industry bullying and controlling the propaganda with no official pushback because people are scared of the persecution of their opinion.....scared for their jobs, what kind of environment is that? Not the one I grew up in anyway.

And when there is pushback....as the voice of crowds can't easily be controlled....then we get endless and one sided demonisation.

And you ask for us to 'listen'....Frankly when have you lot 'listened'?

Personally I listened for years but I disagree pretty much with the entire message and the future the elites have decided for this country decades ago.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2021 8.07pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I find it staggering how little self-awareness you actually have. The overt racist abuse received as well as those like you trying to pretend there is no issue in society show how absolutely necessary what they are doing is.