I did, but let's be frank, he wasn't even given chances. May seem like he played a lot of matches for Newcastle without scoring, but they are mostly 1-2 minutes matches when he was sent in at the end and couldn't really create much in not even 200 minutes per season.

Maybe you will say that it was his fault in training for not being selected,,but it's mostly just the manager who doesn't apprecuate some players.

Like with Salah, de Bruyme or Lukakau at Chelsea with Mourinho. Were they not good enough? De Bruyne went to Wolfsburg and immediately became top assister with over 20 assists in the Bundesliga. No, not their fault, Mourinho just didn't see them.

Could be the same with Muto. Plus, he was a center forward or second sttiker ar Mainz and at Newcastle they played him a lot like a winger.

From the other examples,I think Musa adapted pretty well, but was used too much as winger. Joelinton never really was that good and was a massive failure by the investment analysts at Newcastle. Slimani, yes,we can say he did not adapt. I notice this mostly at center forwards who don't have much speed and come to English football- remember Soldado.

I did, but let's be frank, he wasn't even given chances. May seem like he played a lot of matches for Newcastle without scoring, but they are mostly 1-2 minutes matches when he was sent in at the end and couldn't really create much in not even 200 minutes per season.

Maybe you will say that it was his fault in training for not being selected,,but it's mostly just the manager who doesn't apprecuate some players.

Like with Salah, de Bruyme or Lukakau at Chelsea with Mourinho. Were they not good enough? De Bruyne went to Wolfsburg and immediately became top assister with over 20 assists in the Bundesliga. No, not their fault, Mourinho just didn't see them.

Could be the same with Muto. Plus, he was a center forward or second sttiker ar Mainz and at Newcastle they played him a lot like a winger.

From the other examples,I think Musa adapted pretty well, but was used too much as winger. Joelinton never really was that good and was a massive failure by the investment analysts at Newcastle. Slimani, yes,we can say he did not adapt. I notice this mostly at center forwards who don't have much speed and come to English football- remember Soldado.

Direct match today in Germany which involved 2 young center forwards of great height: Jean Mateta (23) for Mainz and Silas Wamangituka (next month 21) for Stuttgart.

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Wamangituka used as right winger, not in a central position, scored 1 and assisted 1.
Amazing that he can play as a winger at 1,90 in height.

He has so far in his career: 22 goals and 11 assists, most from center forward position and most in the 2nd leagues of France and Germany in 4600 minutes, but 1600 of those minutes were as winger.

Jean Mateta has 22 goals and assists in 3000 minutes in France's Ligue 2 or in Cup matches. Also 23 goals and assists in 3700 minutes at top level.

But he is 2 and a half years older and has had time to make them. Also comes after a very serious injury. Could never play on the wing.

Look at this video of Wamangituka:

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He certainly has 1 speed above Mateta. On the 25 million price of Mateta, I'm sure Stuttgart would let Wamangituka leave, cause he cost them just 7 million.

This is a direct comparison that board of Crystal Palace should make.

Also, from a direct comparison between Wamangituka at that money and Rhian Brewster, of the same age, Wamangituka looks better.
Brewster has 11 goals in 2000 minutes in the Championship and Cup competitions (without junior level) and 1 assist in 250 minutes for England U21. Of course, he used to be very good at U17 level, but that is pretty far away. And the price is over 20 million.

Do Stuttgart want to sell? Does he want to leave? If not no point in Palace even looking. Regarding his stats compared to Brewster, how do the 2nd divisions in France and Germany compare to the Championship? I have no idea aloud I had to guess I would say nowhere near as difficult and intense

I did, but let's be frank, he wasn't even given chances. May seem like he played a lot of matches for Newcastle without scoring, but they are mostly 1-2 minutes matches when he was sent in at the end and couldn't really create much in not even 200 minutes per season.

Maybe you will say that it was his fault in training for not being selected,,but it's mostly just the manager who doesn't apprecuate some players.

Like with Salah, de Bruyme or Lukakau at Chelsea with Mourinho. Were they not good enough? De Bruyne went to Wolfsburg and immediately became top assister with over 20 assists in the Bundesliga. No, not their fault, Mourinho just didn't see them.

Could be the same with Muto. Plus, he was a center forward or second sttiker ar Mainz and at Newcastle they played him a lot like a winger.

From the other examples,I think Musa adapted pretty well, but was used too much as winger. Joelinton never really was that good and was a massive failure by the investment analysts at Newcastle. Slimani, yes,we can say he did not adapt. I notice this mostly at center forwards who don't have much speed and come to English football- remember Soldado.

And now Mourinho is rumoured to want Benteke!!?!

Edited by antipodeagle (28 Sep 2020 11.43am)