The compromise was out there and the mps didn't vote for Mays soft Brexit! You can't please everyone and remain mps didn't obviously want to compromise it as was to stop Brexit that was your remain mps stance.

This was a text from one of my few remainer friends

I hope you’re right & all the fears I have about leaving the EU won’t come to fruition. I’m a remainer not a remoaner so as a right minded & realistic human being I have to accept Brexit is here to stay & accept it graciously. I’m all for a well rounded argument or debate but the wallies on BOTH sides that insist on just being ignorant, blind sided & unpleasant about other people’s views can go swivel! 😁 I’m British & proud! 🇬🇧 (still not sure it’s the right decision though &#128514

Shame people like yourself can't accept the will of the people...

Edited by cpfc_chap (15 Feb 2020 3.48pm)

The 48 did and do get respect.
The 52 dont and havent from the likes of you.
Rattling on about how grave the situation is and how revolution will get us back in.
You do talk some b o l l o x

What are you banging on about Brexit for again?

My comments have nothing directly to do with Brexit. Brexit was a symptom of the problem I described and not the cause of it.

Brexit has happened. That battle was lost but the war continues. Now we move onto a new phase. The troops have been withdrawn for some R & R and the generals conferring on strategy. For the time being other issues demand attention.

What you Brexiteers need to accept is that those who believe in the EU, and the UK's need to belong to it, are just as entitled to their views as you are to yours. As I am quite sure that Farage and his minions would not just have laid down and surrendered if the referendum result had been ever so slightly different why on earth do you expect anything different from people like me?

Once we show each other due respect we can start to heal these divisions. Treating the 2016 48% (which apparently grew to well over 50% by 2019) as people whose views can just be disregarded is a prime example of what is wrong.

So your remainer friend talked some sense. Pity you don't.

That's why the leave vote won the election for the Tory party! Pity you can't move on...

Do we have a democracy? I used to think so but now I am not so sure. When even an 80 seat majority can be achieved by an only 43.6% vote share something seems very wrong to me. People need to know their vote matters and their opinions taken into account.

Referendum's in the UK are not part of our system. Only Parliament deciding to respect the result gave it any legitimacy. What happened subsequently was a failure of our democracy because Parliament failed to act as it should when it had the chance to outvote the Tory minority government. A government which acted unlawfully and was then forced by the Supreme Court to hand the initiative back to Parliament.

Brexit was Corbyn's failure and not Johnson's success. As he was never an enthusiast for the EU I cannot help but wonder if he was scheming all along but I don't think he is that clever.

I have reached the conclusion that although Brexit happened via our system it was done via a series of flawed events that all conspired together to deliver a result that is not just, in my opinion, not in our interests but also, very probably, not actually wanted by a majority of the people in the months prior to it happening. That people voted for a government prepared to end the battle was much more to do with war weariness, and a strong dislike of Corbyn, than any reasoned opinion on the merits of the EU.

I have long argued that we wouldn't have a properly functioning democracy until we adopted proportional representation. The events of the last few years have confirmed that. If we had used PR then Brexit would not be happening and democracy would truly have produced the result.

Since 1973 the UK has averaged one referendum every four and a half years so it could be argued they are part of the system.