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Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 2.38pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Watched and enjoyed Romesh Ranganathan stand up the other night. Late on I questioned why he has integrated so much that he’s exactly the same as white people he grew up with apart from skin tone and his parents’ accents (and this isn’t new to me as he would’ve been a mate of mine, before I get pelters), and how so many people of colour want to be so different, sound so different, stay detached from white Britain or be completely isolated from it. I have and have had Asian friends agree. The first thing is he’s a Christian Sri Lankan. From experience Hindus also integrate and adapt. But now it seems unless you go to a white school the majority will share very little in common with white people around them or want to. This is my gripe, and it seems is for everyone else, explaining a lot of White flight. I expect pelters, especially from one, but that’s how I feel. It's all about the numbers my friend. I remember reading a study done on how well integration works. Essentially it's common sense and how you state. Whenever we talk about groups we can only talk in generalisations but the numbers don't lie. If an individual is surrounded by a culture they have little option but to adapt as best they can to it. Most will try to integrate. If an individual has a community around them that looks like them and has a separate identity then they are most likely going to take that group identity....it's human nature. The social constructionists and idealists told us that immigrants would integrate......when the reality is that at the start when numbers were low integration was more common....though never high....slowly areas were taken over and white flight started. Now they don't even bother with the integration lie and we even have the new security head telling us that we shouldn't require any of these communities to integrate. Maybe it's better that the English lose their country. Since the world wars we aren't a patch on our ancestors and allowed 'words' to frighten us into giving up our own nation. The ideology of the left that Orwell criticised. The type that hate the nation state and its heritage...those people have become the state and infect its institutions. Unless something happens to change things it's drip drip until we flatline.....the boomers didn't listen to Powell in large enough numbers and it's probably too late now. It's about the future for our children or grandchildren and where that will be. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.01pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Sep 19 2.38pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Watched and enjoyed Romesh Ranganathan stand up the other night. Late on I questioned why he has integrated so much that he’s exactly the same as white people he grew up with apart from skin tone and his parents’ accents (and this isn’t new to me as he would’ve been a mate of mine, before I get pelters), and how so many people of colour want to be so different, sound so different, stay detached from white Britain or be completely isolated from it. I have and have had Asian friends agree.

The first thing is he’s a Christian Sri Lankan. From experience Hindus also integrate and adapt. But now it seems unless you go to a white school the majority will share very little in common with white people around them or want to. This is my gripe, and it seems is for everyone else, explaining a lot of White flight. I expect pelters, especially from one, but that’s how I feel.

It's all about the numbers my friend.

I remember reading a study done on how well integration works.

Essentially it's common sense and how you state. Whenever we talk about groups we can only talk in generalisations but the numbers don't lie.

If an individual is surrounded by a culture they have little option but to adapt as best they can to it. Most will try to integrate.

If an individual has a community around them that looks like them and has a separate identity then they are most likely going to take that group identity....it's human nature.

The social constructionists and idealists told us that immigrants would integrate......when the reality is that at the start when numbers were low integration was more common....though never high....slowly areas were taken over and white flight started.

Now they don't even bother with the integration lie and we even have the new security head telling us that we shouldn't require any of these communities to integrate.

Maybe it's better that the English lose their country. Since the world wars we aren't a patch on our ancestors and allowed 'words' to frighten us into giving up our own nation.

The ideology of the left that Orwell criticised. The type that hate the nation state and its heritage...those people have become the state and infect its institutions.

Unless something happens to change things it's drip drip until we flatline.....the boomers didn't listen to Powell in large enough numbers and it's probably too late now.

It's about the future for our children or grandchildren and where that will be.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2019 6.01pm)

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Invalid user 2019 27 Sep 19 12.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As for your ideas on about 'this is your country'....this use to be my view ten years ago. Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm no longer a normie who sees the world in idealistic terms. Where someone is born does not determine their allegiance.....that's an outdated viewpoint. What matters is allegiance. Quote Once a nation is stripped of its historical and ancestral roots who really cares about numbers anymore? Only neo liberals. Your take home appears to be that the country needs to stay majority white / European so it genetically matters that those people are born here ahead of their individual outlook. However, if someone is non white and born here this isn't their country, and the fact that they were born here is less relevant or useful to the nation unless they make their allegiance much clearer than the former. But let's just use an open goal type example to help you clear this up. Let's take Frank Bruno for example. Surely you accept that this is his country too? If you don't, where else do you propose that he belongs? There's little that's idealistic about just taking people for who they are regardless of colour and creed, and then separately and politically having a view about where to cast your vote and with what ends in mind going forward (immigration policy for instance as assimilation and numbers are perfectly valid concerns). I think with some that distinction all but disappears and all that succeeds in doing is fostering a sweeping aversion to groups with occasional exceptions to the rule. Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 1.57pm)
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27 Sep 19 12.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
As for your ideas on about 'this is your country'....this use to be my view ten years ago.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm no longer a normie who sees the world in idealistic terms. Where someone is born does not determine their allegiance.....that's an outdated viewpoint. What matters is allegiance.

Quote Once a nation is stripped of its historical and ancestral roots who really cares about numbers anymore? Only neo liberals.

Your take home appears to be that the country needs to stay majority white / European so it genetically matters that those people are born here ahead of their individual outlook. However, if someone is non white and born here this isn't their country, and the fact that they were born here is less relevant or useful to the nation unless they make their allegiance much clearer than the former.

But let's just use an open goal type example to help you clear this up. Let's take Frank Bruno for example. Surely you accept that this is his country too? If you don't, where else do you propose that he belongs?

There's little that's idealistic about just taking people for who they are regardless of colour and creed, and then separately and politically having a view about where to cast your vote and with what ends in mind going forward (immigration policy for instance as assimilation and numbers are perfectly valid concerns). I think with some that distinction all but disappears and all that succeeds in doing is fostering a sweeping aversion to groups with occasional exceptions to the rule.

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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 19 6.11am
Originally posted by dollardays Your take home appears to be that the country needs to stay majority white / European so it genetically matters that those people are born here ahead of their individual outlook. However, if someone is non white and born here this isn't their country, and the fact that they were born here is less relevant or useful to the nation unless they make their allegiance much clearer than the former. But let's just use an open goal type example to help you clear this up. Let's take Frank Bruno for example. Surely you accept that this is his country too? If you don't, where else do you propose that he belongs? There's little that's idealistic about just taking people for who they are regardless of colour and creed, and then separately and politically having a view about where to cast your vote and with what ends in mind going forward (immigration policy for instance as assimilation and numbers are perfectly valid concerns). I think with some that distinction all but disappears and all that succeeds in doing is fostering a sweeping aversion to groups with occasional exceptions to the rule. Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 1.57pm) The thread is more about the future for Anglo Saxons or English whites which is only partly related to nationhood but I'm ok with you retreading these old arguments.....but wary because the topic area is huge. Frank Bruno is a western style social conservative. Like many from my generation I kind of view him as a national treasure. The question as to where Bruno belongs is the same question everyone has to answer when it comes to identity. These are questions for the individual. Frank is genetically a West Indian. I imagine he has very little European in him but his allegiance is to Britain.....I've always said that the individual has the right to transcend genetics and that ethnicity is multifaceted....not many are going to do it but it's the right of every individual. You make some good points but ultimately these are still old points. Any sensible person only needs to look out into the world to see that on the holistic level homogeneous populations work whereas heterogeneous populations are divided and troubled.....it isn't any different here to anywhere else and no amount of 'jam tomorrow' will change that. In terms of England remaining English. It's a question of numbers.....When we have 20 million Frank Brunos and Chris Eubanks you might just have a difficult question to ask me but that's not going to happen is it......Frank Bruno is ridiculed by many in the black community and far left whites as an uncle Tom. I accept those that stand with me....I just know that only a limited number will....but where they are genuine they are my brothers and sisters all the same. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 7.17am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Sep 19 6.11am

Originally posted by dollardays

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 1.57pm)

The thread is more about the future for Anglo Saxons or English whites which is only partly related to nationhood but I'm ok with you retreading these old arguments.....but wary because the topic area is huge.

Frank Bruno is a western style social conservative. Like many from my generation I kind of view him as a national treasure.

The question as to where Bruno belongs is the same question everyone has to answer when it comes to identity. These are questions for the individual.

Frank is genetically a West Indian. I imagine he has very little European in him but his allegiance is to Britain.....I've always said that the individual has the right to transcend genetics and that ethnicity is multifaceted....not many are going to do it but it's the right of every individual.

You make some good points but ultimately these are still old points. Any sensible person only needs to look out into the world to see that on the holistic level homogeneous populations work whereas heterogeneous populations are divided and troubled.....it isn't any different here to anywhere else and no amount of 'jam tomorrow' will change that.

In terms of England remaining English. It's a question of numbers.....When we have 20 million Frank Brunos and Chris Eubanks you might just have a difficult question to ask me but that's not going to happen is it......Frank Bruno is ridiculed by many in the black community and far left whites as an uncle Tom.

I accept those that stand with me....I just know that only a limited number will....but where they are genuine they are my brothers and sisters all the same.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 7.17am)

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DanH SW2 28 Sep 19 8.01am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The thread is more about the future for Anglo Saxons or English whites which is only partly related to nationhood but I'm ok with you retreading these old arguments.....but wary because the topic area is huge. Frank Bruno is a western style social conservative. Like many from my generation I kind of view him as a national treasure. The question as to where Bruno belongs is the same question everyone has to answer when it comes to identity. These are questions for the individual. Frank is genetically a West Indian. I imagine he has very little European in him but his allegiance is to Britain.....I've always said that the individual has the right to transcend genetics and that ethnicity is multifaceted....not many are going to do it but it's the right of every individual. You make some good points but ultimately these are still old points. Any sensible person only needs to look out into the world to see that on the holistic level homogeneous populations work whereas heterogeneous populations are divided and troubled.....it isn't any different here to anywhere else and no amount of 'jam tomorrow' will change that. In terms of England remaining English. It's a question of numbers.....When we have 20 million Frank Brunos and Chris Eubanks you might just have a difficult question to ask me but that's not going to happen is it......Frank Bruno is ridiculed by many in the black community and far left whites as an uncle Tom. I accept those that stand with me....I just know that only a limited number will....but where they are genuine they are my brothers and sisters all the same. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 7.17am) This is some proper Oswald Mosley style stuff.
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SW2 28 Sep 19 8.01am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Frank Bruno is a western style social conservative. Like many from my generation I kind of view him as a national treasure.

The question as to where Bruno belongs is the same question everyone has to answer when it comes to identity. These are questions for the individual.

I accept those that stand with me....I just know that only a limited number will....but where they are genuine they are my brothers and sisters all the same.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Sep 2019 7.17am)

This is some proper Oswald Mosley style stuff.

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Stirlingsays 28 Sep 19 8.09am
Originally posted by DanH This is some proper Oswald Mosley style stuff. Really? Interesting....Don't know about Mosley....Not that much into Labour politicans. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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28 Sep 19 8.09am

Originally posted by DanH

This is some proper Oswald Mosley style stuff.

Really? Interesting....Don't know about Mosley....Not that much into Labour politicans.

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