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Stirlingsays 01 Aug 19 6.11pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The bullying, baying outrage mob of the left in action (and allowed to go unchecked by the mainstream media). He's being told to follow an ideology and not allowed to express his own opinions. US TV host Mario Lopez has to apologise for suggesting parents should wait until a child's "formative years" before making declarations about their gender. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 6.00pm) Another attack on free speech by 'progressive' activists hunting after the most milk toast of comments by a celebrity so they can protect this harmful ideology concerning children. These people are insane and the media and establishment who protect and enable them are culpable. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Aug 19 6.11pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The bullying, baying outrage mob of the left in action (and allowed to go unchecked by the mainstream media). He's being told to follow an ideology and not allowed to express his own opinions.

US TV host Mario Lopez has to apologise for suggesting parents should wait until a child's "formative years" before making declarations about their gender. [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 6.00pm)

Another attack on free speech by 'progressive' activists hunting after the most milk toast of comments by a celebrity so they can protect this harmful ideology concerning children.

These people are insane and the media and establishment who protect and enable them are culpable.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Aug 19 7.09pm
His 'crime' was saying this... "If you're three years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way and you think you're a boy or girl, whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination then." He should never have apologised. Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 7.10pm)
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Beckenham 01 Aug 19 7.09pm

His 'crime' was saying this... "If you're three years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way and you think you're a boy or girl, whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination then."

He should never have apologised.

Edited by Penge Eagle (01 Aug 2019 7.10pm)

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Teddy Eagle 01 Aug 19 7.14pm
What happens if a 3 year old identifies as an arsonist? Give him a Zippo and a can of petrol I guess.
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01 Aug 19 7.14pm

What happens if a 3 year old identifies as an arsonist? Give him a Zippo and a can of petrol I guess.

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Invalid user 2019 01 Aug 19 9.59pm
As for tradition there's certainly immense value and meaning to marriage and fidelity, which are the primary building blocks of creating a safe, stable and loving environment for children. I think I'd take the openness of a society where people like this trans man talk about their issues though, over a reality where they are married for decades then suddenly blurt it out to their wife, Frank Moloney style and the whole thing crashes down. When you throw your lot in with someone, there's something to be said for having a decent idea of what you're getting into. Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 10.27pm)
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01 Aug 19 9.59pm

As for tradition there's certainly immense value and meaning to marriage and fidelity, which are the primary building blocks of creating a safe, stable and loving environment for children. I think I'd take the openness of a society where people like this trans man talk about their issues though, over a reality where they are married for decades then suddenly blurt it out to their wife, Frank Moloney style and the whole thing crashes down. When you throw your lot in with someone, there's something to be said for having a decent idea of what you're getting into.

Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 10.27pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 10.55pm
Originally posted by cryrst Give us a lead on what to type in Google then wissy. Just for us non believing thick divs Do you really need to ask that? Really? Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?" Make your own variant. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 10.55pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Give us a lead on what to type in Google then wissy.
Just for us non believing thick divs

Do you really need to ask that? Really?

Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?"

Make your own variant.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 11.01pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I've looked at the evidence in a lot of detail and my point still stands. Not unless you disbelieve science it doesn't! People claim that climate change isn't real, which flies in the face of the scientific evidence. People used to believe the earth was flat until science proved them wrong and now no-body by the fruitcakes believe it. So give it time. Maybe you will change your mind in the light of the evidence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 11.01pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I've looked at the evidence in a lot of detail and my point still stands.

Not unless you disbelieve science it doesn't!

People claim that climate change isn't real, which flies in the face of the scientific evidence.

People used to believe the earth was flat until science proved them wrong and now no-body by the fruitcakes believe it.

So give it time. Maybe you will change your mind in the light of the evidence.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 11.02pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Yes, and I’ve said as much but what’s the problem? I suspect the problem is that you don't see it as a problem. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 01 Aug 19 11.02pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes, and I’ve said as much but what’s the problem?

I suspect the problem is that you don't see it as a problem.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 01 Aug 19 11.09pm
Originally posted by dollardays As for tradition there's certainly immense value and meaning to marriage and fidelity, which are the primary building blocks of creating a safe, stable and loving environment for children. I think I'd take the openness of a society where people like this trans man talk about their issues though, over a reality where they are married for decades then suddenly blurt it out to their wife, Frank Moloney style and the whole thing crashes down. When you throw your lot in with someone, there's something to be said for having a decent idea of what you're getting into. Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 10.27pm) I have time for the honesty point however I think the social costs to society in general in promoting these lifestyles as equal in worth to the traditional model long ago convinced me that we are not traveling down the right paths. Social liberalism has some benefits but the total score is a poor one.....like a regulated capitalism appears to be the best of the economic systems I believe we need a regulated social conservatism as the better of the social. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2019 12.29am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Aug 19 11.09pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 10.27pm)

I have time for the honesty point however I think the social costs to society in general in promoting these lifestyles as equal in worth to the traditional model long ago convinced me that we are not traveling down the right paths.

Social liberalism has some benefits but the total score is a poor one.....like a regulated capitalism appears to be the best of the economic systems I believe we need a regulated social conservatism as the better of the social.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Aug 2019 12.29am)

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Teddy Eagle 01 Aug 19 11.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I suspect the problem is that you don't see it as a problem. Well that’s a problem I can live with. Are you trying to say that people don’t form opinions based on any personal bias? You might think that your self proclaimed objectivity puts you on a higher plane but it doesn’t. It prevents you having an opinion of your own; just a strange urge to argue with people who do. Now you’re going to argue with that which rather proves the point. Now you’ll say it doesn’t. See how this works?
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01 Aug 19 11.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suspect the problem is that you don't see it as a problem.

Well that’s a problem I can live with. Are you trying to say that people don’t form opinions based on any personal bias? You might think that your self proclaimed objectivity puts you on a higher plane but it doesn’t. It prevents you having an opinion of your own; just a strange urge to argue with people who do.
Now you’re going to argue with that which rather proves the point.
Now you’ll say it doesn’t.
See how this works?

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joe_cpfc Basingstoke 02 Aug 19 12.05am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you really need to ask that? Really? Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?" Make your own variant. I just googled that and got this Attachment: gettyimages-173197880-2048x2048.jpg (1,141.06Kb)
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Basingstoke 02 Aug 19 12.05am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you really need to ask that? Really?

Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?"

Make your own variant.

I just googled that and got this

Attachment: gettyimages-173197880-2048x2048.jpg (1,141.06Kb)

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cryrst The garden of England 02 Aug 19 5.44am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you really need to ask that? Really? Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?" Make your own variant. Dont mix gay with trans. It is totally two different things and maybe even gay people are going to become a target for the left. Gays do not want to be physically the other sex and have been accepted by a huge majority for decades with no issues. The odd joke way back but I'm fat and have been 'hurt' ha ha. Trans people have a mental issue. It isnt physical. It can be sorted for a huge majority by counselling but society is slowly disabling this option.
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The garden of England 02 Aug 19 5.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you really need to ask that? Really?

Just type in the obvious question. Something like, "why are people gay or transgender?"

Make your own variant.

Dont mix gay with trans.
It is totally two different things and maybe even gay people are going to become a target for the left.
Gays do not want to be physically the other sex and have been accepted by a huge majority for decades with no issues.
The odd joke way back but I'm fat and have been 'hurt' ha ha.
Trans people have a mental issue. It isnt physical.
It can be sorted for a huge majority by counselling but society is slowly disabling this option.

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dreamwaverider London 02 Aug 19 8.38am
Originally posted by cryrst A few months back a doctor on LBC stated this was a major problem as over 75% of full change trans regretted their decision within 15 years. This in turn increased the suicide rate. He said it was a mental issue which with the correct help could be overcome. He said it was too easy to get your decision agreed and a radical change was needed in the initial assessments of these people both Male and female. Food for thought from a professional with real stats. Another thought provoking post. Is it the brain that is wrong or the body? And next, are either wrong? Or right? Again, well over my head. I’ll leave the answers to those who like to consider un answerables such as infinity.
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Originally posted by cryrst

A few months back a doctor on LBC stated this was a major problem as over 75% of full change trans regretted their decision within 15 years.
This in turn increased the suicide rate.
He said it was a mental issue which with the correct help could be overcome.
He said it was too easy to get your decision agreed and a radical change was needed in the initial assessments of these people both Male and female.
Food for thought from a professional with real stats.

Another thought provoking post. Is it the brain that is wrong or the body? And next, are either wrong? Or right?
Again, well over my head. I’ll leave the answers to those who like to consider un answerables such as infinity.

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