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 Stirlingsays  17 May 19 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
This uncovers another issue: More black babies in New York City are aborted than born alive. Plus, New York's Reproductive Health Act brought in this year means abortions can be performed after 24 weeks if it's felt necessary. That's from 6 months old. Not good in my view. Edited by Penge Eagle (17 May 2019 1.18pm)
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 17 May 19 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
100%. It's the most logical way to deal with child abuse, rape and mass murder cases. These individuals will never be safe, trusted members of organised society. Their termination makes sense on financial and preventative grounds. Can't rape or murder anyone again if you're six feet under at the end of the day and it might prove a deterrent as sentencing as it stands clearly doesn't. I cannot compute any argue to the contrary, it's just illogical. Well aside from the fact that even very serious offenders can (doesn't mean will) be rehabilitated, in the case of sexually motivated rape/child abuse - which I assume you're talking about? - chemical castration is an option. And it is also 100% guaranteed that innocent people will be executed. Maybe not many, but it is statistically impossible for it not to happen. So it does depend on whether you are willing to accept a few "whoopsie - our bad" executions as part of the deal.
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jeeagles  17 May 19 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Would you lot bring back the death penalty here? 100% Crimes out of control and the deterrents aren't strong enough. I don't want to pay for Ian Huntley to be protected. Kill him, free up the prisons for petty criminals.
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| jeeagles 17 May 19 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
And it is also 100% guaranteed that innocent people will be executed. Maybe not many, but it is statistically impossible for it not to happen. So it does depend on whether you are willing to accept a few "whoopsie - our bad" executions as part of the deal. My heart bleeds, look at the Derek Bentley case. Was out robbing a warehouse with a guy carrying a gun. Wrongly convicted but no loss for society what so ever.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 17 May 19 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
My heart bleeds, look at the Derek Bentley case. Was out robbing a warehouse with a guy carrying a gun. Wrongly convicted but no loss for society what so ever. And you'd happily see him dead, despite him not killing anyone? Sure he was a wrongun, but death? Well you and I will have to differ on that. Ending someone's life shouldn't be frivolous. Shall we just kill everyone who's loss would be deemed of no loss to society? Quote
100% Crimes out of control and the deterrents aren't strong enough. I don't want to pay for Ian Huntley to be protected. Kill him, free up the prisons for petty criminals. You think prison is the right place for petty criminals? People convicted of minor offenses? I think they were very much designed with hardened criminals in mind. I'm fairly centrist and moderate politically and some of the replies I see on here are getting more and more extreme right wing. No thanks, we had that not too long ago. Didn't work.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 17 May 19 4.40pm |
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To comment on the thread title, abortion should be legal in the first 2 terms, not in the 3rd unless medically necessary. I don't believe it is a decision taken lightly in the vast, vast majority of cases and is never an "easy out". Those saying women should always carry babies to term always seem to be the ones least willing to foot the bill if e.g. the mother is unable to. And saying "well they should have used birth control" is of zero value when talking about what to do when these children are actually there. I.e. dealing with the reality, not a hypothetical. And for us blokes, it's easy to moralise about something that we will never need to go though or make a decision about. For the record - dad of 2. And I don't take the subject lightly.
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| jeeagles 17 May 19 5.10pm |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
You think prison is the right place for petty criminals? People convicted of minor offenses? I think they were very much designed with hardened criminals in mind. I'm fairly centrist and moderate politically and some of the replies I see on here are getting more and more extreme right wing. No thanks, we had that not too long ago. Didn't work. Yes and yes. Don't waste time and money on criminals. Spend it on good people who are struggling to get by. Don't believe sob stories of criminals. There are plenty of people in the world who live good lives but suffer due to those who hurt and steal from others.
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| Maine Eagle USA 17 May 19 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Would you lot bring back the death penalty here? I am all for it in extreme cases.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 17 May 19 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Yes and yes. Don't waste time and money on criminals. Spend it on good people who are struggling to get by. Don't believe sob stories of criminals. There are plenty of people in the world who live good lives but suffer due to those who hurt and steal from others. Imprisonment is hardly "not wasting time and money on criminals" it costs nearly £40K a year to keep a prisoner in the UK. Not to mention the fact that prisons are where much of the recruitment to organised crime gangs and terrorist organisations (including Islamic terrorism) happens. I think for persistent and serious offenders, plus those who have convictions for violent crime it's necessary. but it's not a magic box to throw the problem of "crime" in and forget about it. Life is not so simple, sadly. A lot of convicts who go into the system, who are not serious threats, become so after their time is served.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 18 May 19 7.09am |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
You think prison is the right place for petty criminals? People convicted of minor offenses? I think they were very much designed with hardened criminals in mind. I'm fairly centrist and moderate politically and some of the replies I see on here are getting more and more extreme right wing. No thanks, we had that not too long ago. Didn't work. Prison is absolutely the right place for petty criminals. Prison isn't designed with hardened criminals in mind, it's designed with human beings in mind. Padded mattress, blankets, three hot meals a day, cigarettes, TVs and PlayStation's in cell. Where's the deterrent? Prison should be slop out, bars instead of glass windows, bread and water, 8 to a cell and blankets for 4. No segregation. First time petty criminals should get no more than a week's stay at first. If that experience didn't frighten them straight, nothing would.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 18 May 19 7.12am |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
Well aside from the fact that even very serious offenders can (doesn't mean will) be rehabilitated, in the case of sexually motivated rape/child abuse - which I assume you're talking about? - chemical castration is an option. And it is also 100% guaranteed that innocent people will be executed. Maybe not many, but it is statistically impossible for it not to happen. So it does depend on whether you are willing to accept a few "whoopsie - our bad" executions as part of the deal. Disagree. If you can get pleasure out of harming kids then there's no rehabilitation. Even if it was possible, f*** them. Some things are completely unforgivable. Why go to the expense of the castration and all that jazz? The oil on the hinges of the trapdoor is very, very cheap. The public purse rejoices and society is rid of nonces. Great stuff.
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| Midlands Eagle 18 May 19 7.48am |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Some things are completely unforgivable. Why go to the expense of the castration and all that jazz? The oil on the hinges of the trapdoor is very, very cheap. The public purse rejoices and society is rid of nonces. Great stuff. In the last few years we have seen several elderly public figures hounded by society for crimes of paedophilia with at least two of them having died still protesting their innocence and it is now gradually coming out in court that their accuser lived in fairy tale land and probably made up most of his accusations. Whilst I am happy with extreme punishments in principle I have also seen too many miscarriages of justice to warrant such extreme punishments
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