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billtheglazier twickenham 15 Apr 19 3.04pm | |
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Following on from my opening post,I need to add that I am hopeful of having a season where I dont have to wait to April to feel less anxious.
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spartakev2 Anerley 15 Apr 19 3.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll
Or rather it makes no difference. Not really. This is how it is, how it was always going to be, and how it will be. Success goes to the wealthy at the top table (other than for the very occasional aberration.) The rest of us just scrabble around for their scraps and try not to look too bored as we keep ourselves busy. We all know this, surely. There are the established top 6 teams tieing up the business end of the Premier with 2, maybe 3, others - again, generally those with (and typically wasting) a good few quid - trying to squeeze into that group. After that it's largely a free-for-all other than for usually 1 or 2 teams stinking up the place up and another 1 or 2 above them starting to whiff a bit. Any of the 9 or 10 or so 'middling' teams can finish anywhere from 8th or 9th to 16th or 17th, in any given year, given a few vagaries. There's very little to choose between them. And even less to get excited about in the difference. Painful truth is it's actually more exciting to be defying the odds to avoid relegation than it is to 'succeed' to 8th. 8th! Whoo! Who gives? Stick that on a scarf. "We're by far the 8th-best team, the country has just seen." Sing up... And is it worth spunking an unaffordable shedload of money to be able to do so? Cup's always a - relatively slim - possibility of course but that's the lottery everyone says - unless, again, you're one of the big boys. So you can't really do a lot of planning for a cup run - best you can do is give it a really good go every time. I totally get why people say the glory of a cup win beats league survival. That's my instinct too, but I probably need a guarantee of the cup win to warrant risking our future. And they're not around. And would spoil it anyway. And as 2010 felt like it nearly killed me, y'know... So that's that. Unless we find a load of cash down the back of somebody's couch then this is it. If it's the excitement of success you're after then sadly you'd be better hoping for us to get relegated again. (Which we will before long. All of us 'middlers' will at some point.) Maybe yearn for us to 'do a Pompey' if you're feeling really kinky! Otherwise, better get comfy... What a load of tosh. If we were to finish 8th or 9th it would mean we would actually be winning more games and playing better football. Which at the end of the day is all most of us wants.
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cpj Kent 15 Apr 19 3.47pm | |
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9 home defeats - only Huddersfield have a worse home record. Surely even Hodgson can see that something is not working at home. I don't expect to win every game, but it would be nice if we actually tried to. I can't remember us scoring an early goal all season.
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HesHereHesThere Beckenham 15 Apr 19 8.42pm | |
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Theres eleven of us with season tickets and five have decided not to renew cos they’re so fed up with the football and results over the last last few seasons. This season has been really hard work to watch at home...where has the fight and will to win gone? It’s no good bleating on about how good we’ve got it and how hard it was back in the day when it was only the members that had a roof...we’ve been at the top table now for long enough to have sorted it out, but still we don’t seem to learn. If i’m spending my hard earned dough and ain’t happy with the crap home form surely it’s within my consumer rights to have moan up. It’s about time this team grew a pair and went for it in games rather than cocking about like a bunch of old ladies.
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Tickled pink Cornwall 15 Apr 19 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
I'm not a new fan and I think the ambition should be to push for top 8. The past is completely irrelevant. What you describe is a fear of failure. Just keep slogging out survival is not success and is completely unsustainable. Every club and fan outside the top six live in fear of failure every season until they reach forty points, no such thing as top 8, only Everton could possibly be nearer to being 7th more often then not.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Apr 19 9.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll
Or rather it makes no difference. Not really. This is how it is, how it was always going to be, and how it will be. Success goes to the wealthy at the top table (other than for the very occasional aberration.) The rest of us just scrabble around for their scraps and try not to look too bored as we keep ourselves busy. We all know this, surely. There are the established top 6 teams tieing up the business end of the Premier with 2, maybe 3, others - again, generally those with (and typically wasting) a good few quid - trying to squeeze into that group. After that it's largely a free-for-all other than for usually 1 or 2 teams stinking up the place up and another 1 or 2 above them starting to whiff a bit. Any of the 9 or 10 or so 'middling' teams can finish anywhere from 8th or 9th to 16th or 17th, in any given year, given a few vagaries. There's very little to choose between them. And even less to get excited about in the difference. Painful truth is it's actually more exciting to be defying the odds to avoid relegation than it is to 'succeed' to 8th. 8th! Whoo! Who gives? Stick that on a scarf. "We're by far the 8th-best team, the country has just seen." Sing up... And is it worth spunking an unaffordable shedload of money to be able to do so? Cup's always a - relatively slim - possibility of course but that's the lottery everyone says - unless, again, you're one of the big boys. So you can't really do a lot of planning for a cup run - best you can do is give it a really good go every time. I totally get why people say the glory of a cup win beats league survival. That's my instinct too, but I probably need a guarantee of the cup win to warrant risking our future. And they're not around. And would spoil it anyway. And as 2010 felt like it nearly killed me, y'know... So that's that. Unless we find a load of cash down the back of somebody's couch then this is it. If it's the excitement of success you're after then sadly you'd be better hoping for us to get relegated again. (Which we will before long. All of us 'middlers' will at some point.) Maybe yearn for us to 'do a Pompey' if you're feeling really kinky! Otherwise, better get comfy... Mike Ashley, are you a Palace fan?
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Tickled pink Cornwall 15 Apr 19 9.40pm | |
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Originally posted by cpj
9 home defeats - only Huddersfield have a worse home record. Surely even Hodgson can see that something is not working at home. I don't expect to win every game, but it would be nice if we actually tried to. I can't remember us scoring an early goal all season. Burnley, McArthur 16' Fulham, Milivojevic 25' pen
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Apr 19 9.46pm | |
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Wow. We pinched a goal in the first half of the first half twice at home. Actually once. 25 minutes is after 22 mins and it was a penalty. I more than get why Roy is our manager but I’m bored and would rather fast forward through the whole thing. What would I miss not going? Not a lot.
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Kant exeter 15 Apr 19 10.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll
Or rather it makes no difference. Not really. This is how it is, how it was always going to be, and how it will be. Success goes to the wealthy at the top table (other than for the very occasional aberration.) The rest of us just scrabble around for their scraps and try not to look too bored as we keep ourselves busy. We all know this, surely. There are the established top 6 teams tieing up the business end of the Premier with 2, maybe 3, others - again, generally those with (and typically wasting) a good few quid - trying to squeeze into that group. After that it's largely a free-for-all other than for usually 1 or 2 teams stinking up the place up and another 1 or 2 above them starting to whiff a bit. Any of the 9 or 10 or so 'middling' teams can finish anywhere from 8th or 9th to 16th or 17th, in any given year, given a few vagaries. There's very little to choose between them. And even less to get excited about in the difference. Painful truth is it's actually more exciting to be defying the odds to avoid relegation than it is to 'succeed' to 8th. 8th! Whoo! Who gives? Stick that on a scarf. "We're by far the 8th-best team, the country has just seen." Sing up... And is it worth spunking an unaffordable shedload of money to be able to do so? Cup's always a - relatively slim - possibility of course but that's the lottery everyone says - unless, again, you're one of the big boys. So you can't really do a lot of planning for a cup run - best you can do is give it a really good go every time. I totally get why people say the glory of a cup win beats league survival. That's my instinct too, but I probably need a guarantee of the cup win to warrant risking our future. And they're not around. And would spoil it anyway. And as 2010 felt like it nearly killed me, y'know... So that's that. Unless we find a load of cash down the back of somebody's couch then this is it. If it's the excitement of success you're after then sadly you'd be better hoping for us to get relegated again. (Which we will before long. All of us 'middlers' will at some point.) Maybe yearn for us to 'do a Pompey' if you're feeling really kinky! Otherwise, better get comfy... It’s a bleak analysis but you can’t fault the logic. Look at the teams which have finished in 8th, 9th and 10th positions in the last 6 years: Finishing 8th, 9th or 10th is a nothing more than a fleeting achievement (or in the case of Liverpool and Chelsea in 2016, failure). Rather than establishing the team as a PL fixture as some posters suggest, teams are more likely to struggle against, or actually succumb to, relegation in subsequent seasons. On the bright side, we won’t have to wait long to see Watford go down!
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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 16 Apr 19 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by Kant
It’s a bleak analysis but you can’t fault the logic. Look at the teams which have finished in 8th, 9th and 10th positions in the last 6 years: Finishing 8th, 9th or 10th is a nothing more than a fleeting achievement (or in the case of Liverpool and Chelsea in 2016, failure). Rather than establishing the team as a PL fixture as some posters suggest, teams are more likely to struggle against, or actually succumb to, relegation in subsequent seasons. On the bright side, we won’t have to wait long to see Watford go down! What rubbish, Watford looked 10 times better than us last night against Arsenal, in every department, (maybe not goal keeper) no sitting back, they went at Arsnel from the beginning,even with 10 men after 10 mins.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Apr 19 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER
What rubbish, Watford looked 10 times better than us last night against Arsenal, in every department, (maybe not goal keeper) no sitting back, they went at Arsnel from the beginning,even with 10 men after 10 mins. I share your feelings towards Watford ! But the harsh truth is that they are currently better than us as this season's results have proven.
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billtheglazier twickenham 16 Apr 19 5.05pm | |
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One thing I have noticed that we seems to happen more at home than when playing away, is we give the ball away more.
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