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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Mar 19 1.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger They didn't find him though, did they. I'm quite prepared to entertain the possibility that Hitler escaped, but at this point, what does it actually matter? He would be long dead by now. I believe the official version that he died in the bunker. There were many witnesses who were all arrested and detained by the Soviets. They were interrogated over several years I think if there was a cover up someone would have talked at the gentle hands of the KGB. Besides it was obvious that the Nazis were finished what would be the point of lying to protect a failed leader. If the Nazis were to make a come back it would be under someone else. There is also evidence that Hitler had Parkinson's amongst other ailments and even if he had survived would have dies of natural causes in a few years. Occam's Razor. Edited by Badger11 (23 Mar 2019 1.37pm) One more point
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Beckenham 23 Mar 19 1.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They didn't find him though, did they.

I'm quite prepared to entertain the possibility that Hitler escaped, but at this point, what does it actually matter?

He would be long dead by now.

I believe the official version that he died in the bunker.

There were many witnesses who were all arrested and detained by the Soviets. They were interrogated over several years I think if there was a cover up someone would have talked at the gentle hands of the KGB. Besides it was obvious that the Nazis were finished what would be the point of lying to protect a failed leader. If the Nazis were to make a come back it would be under someone else.

There is also evidence that Hitler had Parkinson's amongst other ailments and even if he had survived would have dies of natural causes in a few years.

Occam's Razor.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Mar 2019 1.37pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 19 1.39pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I believe the official version that he died in the bunker. There were many witnesses who were all arrested and detained by the Soviets. They were interrogated over several years I think if there was a cover up someone would have talked at the gentle hands of the KGB. Well some high ranking Nazis did escape of course and it is also possible that the allies were quite content to promote the idea that Hitler was dead whatever the truth. It's not really a subject that I have a strong opinion on. He is dead now for sure
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Originally posted by Badger11

I believe the official version that he died in the bunker.

Well some high ranking Nazis did escape of course and it is also possible that the allies were quite content to promote the idea that Hitler was dead whatever the truth.

It's not really a subject that I have a strong opinion on. He is dead now for sure

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Stirlingsays 23 Mar 19 2.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Without physical evidence, I suppose that the question will always be asked. The bit of skull the Russians had that turned out to be a woman didn't help. A lower jaw with dental work was identified as Hitler's remains. The actions of the Russians afterwards confirms that they know how it ended. That's where I am on the issue anyway. Hitler doesn't strike me as the hiding type, his strategy was always to bet it all on black....and when it turned out red he decided he wasn't sticking around. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2019 2.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Mar 19 2.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Without physical evidence, I suppose that the question will always be asked.

The bit of skull the Russians had that turned out to be a woman didn't help.

A lower jaw with dental work was identified as Hitler's remains.
The actions of the Russians afterwards confirms that they know how it ended. That's where I am on the issue anyway. Hitler doesn't strike me as the hiding type, his strategy was always to bet it all on black....and when it turned out red he decided he wasn't sticking around.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2019 2.28pm)

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Teddy Eagle 23 Mar 19 2.42pm
There was a recent article saying there were several alternate spellings of his name, one of which was HÜTLER. Heil Hootler doesn’t inspire the same dread somehow.
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23 Mar 19 2.42pm

There was a recent article saying there were several alternate spellings of his name, one of which was HÜTLER.
Heil Hootler doesn’t inspire the same dread somehow.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 19 3.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A lower jaw with dental work was identified as Hitler's remains. The actions of the Russians afterwards confirms that they know how it ended. That's where I am on the issue anyway. Hitler doesn't strike me as the hiding type, his strategy was always to bet it all on black....and when it turned out red he decided he wasn't sticking around. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2019 2.28pm) I'm certainly happier with the bunker version although it would have given me a degree of satisfaction if he had lived to see what a total mess he made of everything. He essentially achieved the total opposite of what he had hoped.
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23 Mar 19 3.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2019 2.28pm)

I'm certainly happier with the bunker version although it would have given me a degree of satisfaction if he had lived to see what a total mess he made of everything. He essentially achieved the total opposite of what he had hoped.

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Stirlingsays 23 Mar 19 3.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm certainly happier with the bunker version although it would have given me a degree of satisfaction if he had lived to see what a total mess he made of everything. He essentially achieved the total opposite of what he had hoped. There is certainly a hell of a lot to be learnt from studying last century. Considering getting Kershaw's book on Hitler. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Mar 19 3.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is certainly a hell of a lot to be learnt from studying last century.

Considering getting Kershaw's book on Hitler.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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eritheagle Erith 23 Mar 19 3.54pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 There were 3 series Wow, how did they find enough content for 3 series! I watched one, which was probably the first one, and really enjoyed it.
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Originally posted by Lyons550

There were 3 series

Wow, how did they find enough content for 3 series! I watched one, which was probably the first one, and really enjoyed it.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Apr 19 8.04pm
So a recent BBC programme concluded that the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski based on the idea that another murdered woman not usually included as one of the Ripper victims was actually his first kill and close to where Kosminski lived. So no new solid basis for the conclusion other than geo profiling. The guy was nuts and attacked his sister with a knife later but that doesn't really prove anything either.
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08 Apr 19 8.04pm

So a recent BBC programme concluded that the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski based on the idea that another murdered woman not usually included as one of the Ripper victims was actually his first kill and close to where Kosminski lived.

So no new solid basis for the conclusion other than geo profiling.
The guy was nuts and attacked his sister with a knife later but that doesn't really prove anything either.

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the.universal 08 Apr 19 8.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So a recent BBC programme concluded that the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski based on the idea that another murdered woman not usually included as one of the Ripper victims was actually his first kill and close to where Kosminski lived. So no new solid basis for the conclusion other than geo profiling. The guy was nuts and attacked his sister with a knife later but that doesn't really prove anything either. ‘Kin ‘ell, now these immigrants are stealing our serial killer jobs. So glad I voted for Brexit. Vive le Roy!
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the.universal 08 Apr 19 8.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So a recent BBC programme concluded that the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski based on the idea that another murdered woman not usually included as one of the Ripper victims was actually his first kill and close to where Kosminski lived.

So no new solid basis for the conclusion other than geo profiling.
The guy was nuts and attacked his sister with a knife later but that doesn't really prove anything either.

‘Kin ‘ell, now these immigrants are stealing our serial killer jobs. So glad I voted for Brexit.

Vive le Roy!

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 09 Apr 19 12.11am
Bruce Robinson came up with someone completely different in his book and very plausible. Btw dont mention it to the guides if you ever do a ripper walk. Fcuk me they are touchy.
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Deal or Croydon 09 Apr 19 12.11am

Bruce Robinson came up with someone completely different in his book and very plausible. Btw dont mention it to the guides if you ever do a ripper walk. Fcuk me they are touchy.

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Apr 19 7.54am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So a recent BBC programme concluded that the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski based on the idea that another murdered woman not usually included as one of the Ripper victims was actually his first kill and close to where Kosminski lived. So no new solid basis for the conclusion other than geo profiling. The guy was nuts and attacked his sister with a knife later but that doesn't really prove anything either. I saw this last night thinking this was the new program with the new DNA evidence, it wasn't. It was a rehash of what we know with some informed speculation as to the killer. The idea of a sixth victim who was actually the first kill was a game changer. I didn't buy into it because there was evidence that pointed to a soldier as being her killer. So all the geo profiling was skewed depending on whether you agreed with a 6th victim. I still think the Polish butcher was the likely suspect just not convinced about some of their findings which at one point Emilia Fox said were facts they were not it was informed speculation. Saying that someone lived in the kill zone and had a history of mental illness is a fact naming them as the killer is speculation. Edited by Badger11 (09 Apr 2019 7.56am) One more point
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Beckenham 09 Apr 19 7.54am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So no new solid basis for the conclusion other than geo profiling.
The guy was nuts and attacked his sister with a knife later but that doesn't really prove anything either.

I saw this last night thinking this was the new program with the new DNA evidence, it wasn't.

It was a rehash of what we know with some informed speculation as to the killer. The idea of a sixth victim who was actually the first kill was a game changer. I didn't buy into it because there was evidence that pointed to a soldier as being her killer. So all the geo profiling was skewed depending on whether you agreed with a 6th victim.

I still think the Polish butcher was the likely suspect just not convinced about some of their findings which at one point Emilia Fox said were facts they were not it was informed speculation.

Saying that someone lived in the kill zone and had a history of mental illness is a fact naming them as the killer is speculation.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Apr 2019 7.56am)

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Stirlingsays 09 Apr 19 9.29am
It appears that my personal contention that the murderer was in fact a youngster still goes under the radar. It's my.....Jack the Nipper theory. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Apr 19 9.29am

It appears that my personal contention that the murderer was in fact a youngster still goes under the radar.

It's my.....Jack the Nipper theory.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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