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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 14 Mar 19 9.26am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Fair point. If you accept that globalisation is inevitable then it certainly takes a lot of stress away. I sympathise with those who mourn the loss of national identity but I still see this in abundance in big events - royal weddings. The ilymlics, Wimbledon... I could go on I think the point is I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place anyway - we’re the best in the world at absorbing ideas into our culture, that seems to be what we do best. I’m not sure what you could really define ‘legacy’ Britishness as anyway. It is what it is. Don’t waste you life on bitterness Our sense of humour is evaporating with all this right to be offended and censorship on anything that’s not PC or towards people unable to laugh at themselves. RIP self deprecating humour soon. Those events are when people from sparsely populated areas like Berkshire etc all congregate in one place. Large parts of London I have little in common with or can relate to. But what’s worse is they’re no go areas, and that’s not because of ignorance like it used to be. The yoof don’t think you belong in the ‘ghetto’, by their design. I do think they can have those areas, but unfortunately it branches out, as we will, and do, unless you live in places like Putney and you don’t see what the issue is, or don’t want to go be precise.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 19 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Bitter? Talk about understatement. Imagine going to Japan and saying, 'I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place anyway.'.....Sounds like something Justin Trudeau would say. Ok, you may not care too much about anglo saxon culture in England but here's a taste of the country's roots. Here's a video of the country around Churchill's funeral for a picture of what this country should have protected....again, as have other countries. Here's a connection to the anglo saxon past. A tradition that was maintained for centuries and still is....but the feckless and people confused about the value of their identity will ensure is eventually lost. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2019 8.48pm) But there were economic migrants then (most not refugees or asylum seekers), so why not a million every 3 years? They’re more important, not who are here and our immediate issues and concerns. Got an issue or need? Shut it.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 19 9.47am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Fair point. If you accept that globalisation is inevitable then it certainly takes a lot of stress away. I sympathise with those who mourn the loss of national identity but I still see this in abundance in big events - royal weddings. The ilymlics, Wimbledon... I could go on I think the point is I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place anyway - we’re the best in the world at absorbing ideas into our culture, that seems to be what we do best. I’m not sure what you could really define ‘legacy’ Britishness as anyway. It is what it is. Don’t waste you life on bitterness Take a look in the borough of Tower Hamlets and towns across England and you will see an obvious difference between British or western culture, unless of course there’s just been the call to prayer on Friday afternoon. You can add in the high street in West Croydon. T0sspot politicians.
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Isn't that yet another thing that we have imported from America that we could have done without
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 9.53am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I never really understood what our national identity was in the first place Fish & chips and roast beef plus Lyons tea shops all now gone in favour of curry and McDonalds
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
But there were economic migrants then (most not refugees or asylum seekers), so why not a million every 3 years? They’re more important, not who are here and our immediate issues and concerns. Got an issue or need? Shut it. It's been political choice. It's very telling, I had Word Up on here telling me that our genes are never lost because they become part of the new mix...or something like that. God oh mighty.....what a consolation. If most of the guys who fought in the war knew what their grandchildren would do with the inheritance I wonder if they would have bothered. Now half of the country are happy to live in a situation where the Germans decide on their regulations and economic policy anyway. Each nation in the UK needs to ensure that their own nationals are by far the highest proportion within their country......Other countries are doing it and we should have done it decades ago.
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Attachment: | EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 Mar 19 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Our sense of humour is evaporating with all this right to be offended and censorship on anything that’s not PC or towards people unable to laugh at themselves. RIP self deprecating humour soon. Those events are when people from sparsely populated areas like Berkshire etc all congregate in one place. Large parts of London I have little in common with or can relate to. But what’s worse is they’re no go areas, and that’s not because of ignorance like it used to be. The yoof don’t think you belong in the ‘ghetto’, by their design. I do think they can have those areas, but unfortunately it branches out, as we will, and do, unless you live in places like Putney and you don’t see what the issue is, or don’t want to go be precise. Where are these no-go areas? And are you saying it’s a no-go due to class divide? Or race divide? I’m trying to understand what you think determines who can and can’t go to them.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.34am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Sure, I agree - I don’t think that supports the idea that London is falling though. Aren’t all the white middle class supposed to be running away? Think it's a case of shifting demographics. London is now the home of professionals and the underclass/sink estate families. The working class in most cases have been out priced.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 14 Mar 19 11.37am |
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Paranoia or justifiable ?
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.52am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Paranoia or justifiable ? That clip is from 2015 Next you will be saying 'Londoners too frightened to go out due to doodle bugs'
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Mar 19 11.56am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Where are these no-go areas? And are you saying it’s a no-go due to class divide? Or race divide? I’m trying to understand what you think determines who can and can’t go to them. Are you naive enough to think you can still walk through all of London and feel safe and be safe? You can even walk through Brick Lane to spend money in a Bangladeshi curry house and some of the moronic Asian youth outside won’t want you there. It’s happened. I had some young Muslim looking man try to go through the side of my car recently in Croydon opposite Fairfield Halls on the way to a night game instead of slipping in behind my car. Apparently my fault as he decided to vanish up the A232 in another direction towards Shirley after slipping the finger. There are more serious things, like sitting on a bench in Romford. Romford isn’t even inner London. Would anyone here be a sitting duck on a bench in parts of South London? Or knife attacks on train platforms or in the middle of Croydon in daylight as the brother of a murderer bangs his knife on your car window and gets out on bail as a lesson to him. What you’re probably meaning is there are no no go areas at some times of the day, before the scum have risen for the day. After that not everywhere is safe or feels safe.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 Mar 19 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Are you naive enough to think you can still walk through all of London and feel safe and be safe? You can even walk through Brick Lane to spend money in a Bangladeshi curry house and some of the moronic Asian youth outside won’t want you there. It’s happened. I had some young Muslim looking man try to go through the side of my car recently in Croydon opposite Fairfield Halls on the way to a night game instead of slipping in behind my car. Apparently my fault as he decided to vanish up the A232 in another direction towards Shirley after slipping the finger. There are more serious things, like sitting on a bench in Romford. Romford isn’t even inner London. Would anyone here be a sitting duck on a bench in parts of South London? Or knife attacks on train platforms or in the middle of Croydon in daylight as the brother of a murderer bangs his knife on your car window and gets out on bail as a lesson to him. What you’re probably meaning is there are no no go areas at some times of the day, before the scum have risen for the day. After that not everywhere is safe or feels safe. As I’ve said already in this thread, I’ve lived in London for 20+ years, a lot of that in some fairly ropey areas, so I don’t consider myself naive on this topic, no. A traffic incident is not proof of a no go area, nor are specific incidents of crime - these sort of things have been happening for decades. I just think it’s a disingenuous choice of words - I don’t view London as any more or less dangerous as it was when I was growing up, and like I mentioned above, areas like Peckham and Brixton are infinitely safer now than they were 10 years ago. I’m sure there are parts of every major city in the world where it doesn’t always feel safe - I was in Berlin last year and walking around there st night feels exactly the same as it would in London.
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