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Invalid user 2019 28 Feb 19 11.13pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Good old racist Lammy, always good for a laugh at his complete lack of self awareness. Here's a man living a comfortable, relatively successful life purely because he's black. And what's he done to help his roots? Supposedly refused to go to Africa for comic relief and speaks out against stop and search, enabling young blacks in gangs to murder eachother. Figuratively he's whiter than the woman he attacked, at least she's on the front line (although I do agree there's a massive element of virtue signalling with these celebs) whereas he's battling fellow elitists Abbott and Chukka in their frenzied attempts to keep suckling at the establishments teat. The man, as you say, has zero self awareness and his comments are racist. To criticise someone for being charitable and well meaning is bad enough, to do so on the grounds of race is pathetic, and to then discover that he himself turned down the offer to help the same charity is beyond belief. If Mr Lammy has a better idea then fine.. tell us what you've actually done for the people of Africa, Mr Lammy? If you can drag yourself away from your comfortable existence. Respect to Stacey Dooley for her dignified response to this nonsense and to Comic Relief for highlighting that Lammy turned down the same offer in favour of doing.. well, nothing.
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28 Feb 19 11.13pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Good old racist Lammy, always good for a laugh at his complete lack of self awareness. Here's a man living a comfortable, relatively successful life purely because he's black. And what's he done to help his roots?

Supposedly refused to go to Africa for comic relief and speaks out against stop and search, enabling young blacks in gangs to murder eachother. Figuratively he's whiter than the woman he attacked, at least she's on the front line (although I do agree there's a massive element of virtue signalling with these celebs) whereas he's battling fellow elitists Abbott and Chukka in their frenzied attempts to keep suckling at the establishments teat.

The man, as you say, has zero self awareness and his comments are racist.

To criticise someone for being charitable and well meaning is bad enough, to do so on the grounds of race is pathetic, and to then discover that he himself turned down the offer to help the same charity is beyond belief. If Mr Lammy has a better idea then fine.. tell us what you've actually done for the people of Africa, Mr Lammy? If you can drag yourself away from your comfortable existence.

Respect to Stacey Dooley for her dignified response to this nonsense and to Comic Relief for highlighting that Lammy turned down the same offer in favour of doing.. well, nothing.

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Invalid user 2019 28 Feb 19 11.36pm
Quote Lammy - "It’s not about me making a nice film, but about Comic Relief giving some of their very privileged platform on the BBC to the hundreds of African comedians, filmmakers, celebrities and everyday people who live on the continent. Also, his whole argument is rather stupid. Comic relief is shown on British TV to a British audience and features well known British celebrities. It's entire purpose is to raise as much money as possible by using the profile of well known individuals. Replacing everyone on screen with African talent is a waste of time as nobody would know who the hell they are and consequently less money would be raised. If we want to televise Africa's Got Talent, then great go for it, but if we want to actually raise as much money as humanly possible during Comic Relief and get the public engaged then I for one am happy for us to send both our black and our white saviours. Edited by dollardays (28 Feb 2019 11.59pm)
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28 Feb 19 11.36pm

Quote Lammy - "It’s not about me making a nice film, but about Comic Relief giving some of their very privileged platform on the BBC to the hundreds of African comedians, filmmakers, celebrities and everyday people who live on the continent.

Also, his whole argument is rather stupid.

Comic relief is shown on British TV to a British audience and features well known British celebrities. It's entire purpose is to raise as much money as possible by using the profile of well known individuals. Replacing everyone on screen with African talent is a waste of time as nobody would know who the hell they are and consequently less money would be raised.

If we want to televise Africa's Got Talent, then great go for it, but if we want to actually raise as much money as humanly possible during Comic Relief and get the public engaged then I for one am happy for us to send both our black and our white saviours.

Edited by dollardays (28 Feb 2019 11.59pm)

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dannyboy1978 01 Mar 19 3.41am
Originally posted by Mapletree I get the logic David Lammy is putting forward Having worked on slum developments in India and Sri Lanka, it is undoubtedly crucial for local people to drive the agenda themselves. Aid agencies should support that but can't replace local leadership I also agree that the portrayal of Africans as victims has unintended effects. As for Stirling's concept that Africans will always be poorer because they are thicker, the mind simply boggles. Take Africans out of Africa and give them the same opportunities as others and miraculously their IQ increases to match or exceed those others. What I don't like is the implied criticism that white people trying to help are doing it for selfish reasons or are misguided. If expat people with African forebears want to take a greater role in helping Africa to develop then they should step up. I don't really see they have a greater right than white people - unless they are African born - but maybe the optics are marginally better. Don't knock 'do-gooders' or good won't get done. 1st bold Lammy said "the world does not need any more white saviours" but then you said local people should drive the agenda. They arnt. That's why the world needs more white savour. 2nd bold. Your basically saying Africans don't have the IQ without white savour to push their economy Forward and they need to mix with whites to improove. India has slums and huge poverty, I wonder what the comparible IQ to Africa is? In any case the crucks of the matter is one human went to help another human. David lammy only sees colour as the issue, he is racist. Edited by dannyboy1978 (01 Mar 2019 5.28am)
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01 Mar 19 3.41am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I get the logic David Lammy is putting forward

Having worked on slum developments in India and Sri Lanka, it is undoubtedly crucial for local people to drive the agenda themselves. Aid agencies should support that but can't replace local leadership

I also agree that the portrayal of Africans as victims has unintended effects.

As for Stirling's concept that Africans will always be poorer because they are thicker, the mind simply boggles. Take Africans out of Africa and give them the same opportunities as others and miraculously their IQ increases to match or exceed those others.

What I don't like is the implied criticism that white people trying to help are doing it for selfish reasons or are misguided. If expat people with African forebears want to take a greater role in helping Africa to develop then they should step up. I don't really see they have a greater right than white people - unless they are African born - but maybe the optics are marginally better. Don't knock 'do-gooders' or good won't get done.

1st bold
Lammy said "the world does not need any more white saviours" but then you said local people should drive the agenda. They arnt.
That's why the world needs more white savour.

2nd bold.
Your basically saying Africans don't have the IQ without white savour to push their economy
Forward and they need to mix with whites to improove.

India has slums and huge poverty, I wonder what the comparible IQ to Africa is?

In any case the crucks of the matter is one human went to help another human. David lammy only sees colour as the issue, he is racist.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (01 Mar 2019 5.28am)

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Pussay Patrol 01 Mar 19 6.03am
Maybe he should concentrate on his own job, the next Motorhead album Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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01 Mar 19 6.03am

Maybe he should concentrate on his own job, the next Motorhead album

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Mar 19 6.05am
You cant help someone who wont try to help themselves. Eventually good will runs out. All the while the agenda that they are unable to alter their own existence is pushed why should they bother. That is human nature from poor people in africa to people on benefits here. Why should they give a toss to lift their arses when someone else is going to do it for them.
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The garden of England 01 Mar 19 6.05am

You cant help someone who wont try to help themselves.
Eventually good will runs out.
All the while the agenda that they are unable to alter their own existence is pushed why should they bother.
That is human nature from poor people in africa to people on benefits here.
Why should they give a toss to lift their arses when someone else is going to do it for them.

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Midlands Eagle 01 Mar 19 6.06am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Maybe he should concentrate on his own job, the next Motorhead album Pussay - your keyboard has just been hijacked by someone with a sense of humour
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01 Mar 19 6.06am

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Maybe he should concentrate on his own job, the next Motorhead album

Pussay - your keyboard has just been hijacked by someone with a sense of humour

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Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 19 8.46am
But...didn’t the human race originate in Africa? So anyone who goes there is going home.
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01 Mar 19 8.46am

But...didn’t the human race originate in Africa? So anyone who goes there is going home.

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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 19 9.01am
The idea that Africans aren’t helping themselves is a racist misconception The idea our development aid is imposed is also wrong DFID isn’t stupid. Aid is always linked to working with local people. I know this as I have worked for three international aid agencies Some right nonsense being spouted. [Link] Edited by Mapletree (01 Mar 2019 9.08am)
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Croydon 01 Mar 19 9.01am

The idea that Africans aren’t helping themselves is a racist misconception

The idea our development aid is imposed is also wrong

DFID isn’t stupid. Aid is always linked to working with local people. I know this as I have worked for three international aid agencies

Some right nonsense being spouted.

[Link]

Edited by Mapletree (01 Mar 2019 9.08am)

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chris123 hove actually 01 Mar 19 9.03am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Pussay - your keyboard has just been hijacked by someone with a sense of humour Steady - that's overkill.
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hove actually 01 Mar 19 9.03am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Pussay - your keyboard has just been hijacked by someone with a sense of humour

Steady - that's overkill.

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Mar 19 9.49am
Originally posted by Mapletree The idea that Africans aren’t helping themselves is a racist misconception The idea our development aid is imposed is also wrong DFID isn’t stupid. Aid is always linked to working with local people. I know this as I have worked for three international aid agencies Some right nonsense being spouted. [Link] Edited by Mapletree (01 Mar 2019 9.08am) So how is knocking out sprogs you cant feed helping yourself. I know in reality you cant work out how much a kid costs but there are many who choose the right time because of their financial position. Thats even knowing the state will offer the minimum support. Is that too difficult to see for african men and women. Again you slight this opinion as racist.
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The garden of England 01 Mar 19 9.49am

Originally posted by Mapletree

The idea that Africans aren’t helping themselves is a racist misconception

The idea our development aid is imposed is also wrong

DFID isn’t stupid. Aid is always linked to working with local people. I know this as I have worked for three international aid agencies

Some right nonsense being spouted.

[Link]

Edited by Mapletree (01 Mar 2019 9.08am)

So how is knocking out sprogs you cant feed helping yourself.
I know in reality you cant work out how much a kid costs but there are many who choose the right time because of their financial position.
Thats even knowing the state will offer the minimum support.
Is that too difficult to see for african men and women.
Again you slight this opinion as racist.

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Mapletree Croydon 01 Mar 19 10.20am
Originally posted by cryrst So how is knocking out sprogs you cant feed helping yourself. I know in reality you cant work out how much a kid costs but there are many who choose the right time because of their financial position. Thats even knowing the state will offer the minimum support. Is that too difficult to see for african men and women. Again you slight this opinion as racist. Happy to engage with you once you have done some basic learning. This is about the best place to study [Link] Did you pause to consider the issue of pensions - or lack thereof? And by the way, Africa isn't a country and there are very many flavours within the continent. Here is another of my projects. I was working for the Japanese on this one [Link] Edited by Mapletree (01 Mar 2019 10.38am)
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Croydon 01 Mar 19 10.20am

Originally posted by cryrst

Happy to engage with you once you have done some basic learning. This is about the best place to study

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Did you pause to consider the issue of pensions - or lack thereof?

And by the way, Africa isn't a country and there are very many flavours within the continent.

Here is another of my projects. I was working for the Japanese on this one

[Link]

Edited by Mapletree (01 Mar 2019 10.38am)

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 01 Mar 19 10.56am
Originally posted by Lyons550 [Link] If this was turned on its head and Boris Johnson had made a comment about Lenny Henry doing similar, I'd have expected cries of 'racism' from all quarters. I'm pleased Dooley is standing up for the cause rather than the purile comments Stacey Dooley has always come across to me as an unauthentic, self serving idiot. It does however not mean that she is wrong though. That said, I would. So damn would. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 01 Mar 19 10.56am

Originally posted by Lyons550

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If this was turned on its head and Boris Johnson had made a comment about Lenny Henry doing similar, I'd have expected cries of 'racism' from all quarters.

I'm pleased Dooley is standing up for the cause rather than the purile comments

Stacey Dooley has always come across to me as an unauthentic, self serving idiot. It does however not mean that she is wrong though.

That said, I would. So damn would.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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