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Beanyboysmd 24 Aug 19 2.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He seems talented and has humour but he's way too lefty and 'progressive' for me.....He's entertaining but it was an effort to watch it to the end....but you are a genuine and honest poster so I did. What I'd say in response is that the motivations of corporations is neither here nor there. Why should you or I care whether they believe or don't believe in any particular message they put out? Capitalism is the profit motive, it's exists to motivate the supplying of need. You see a message from an advertiser, you like it or dislike it....you buy the product or you don't. If they gained your attention that's the point...as long as they stay within the law. I would certainly agree with certain criticisms of corporations....for example, he makes valid criticisms of corporations (not the pink tax though) like child labour and anti unionist practices, tax practices and so on... So I'm interested in ideas where they could be better motivated.....however, mucking around with capitalism is something that has to be extremely carefully considered.....as history attests. As for Gillette, their parent company, which is significantly larger is otherwise doing well, took an 8 billion write down the other month which was attributed to this campaign and hence the swap in direction. Still not buying them though until they issue an apology. He seemed to make the contention that Nike's use of 'Colin Kaepernick' had no significant losses for them....continually chanting 'six billion dollars'. Well....that's not accurate and there is more to that story. At the time of the adverts Nike were at 131.57 billion capital worth. Within days of the advert airing that worth had slid down to 123 billion. However if you look at the chart the general trend in Nike's worth has been significantly up since 2012 and I suspect has much to do with China and new markets (who aren't going to care about anti US themes) and the value soon recovered.....However, it's current value is now below it's pre advert high.....though I suspect this is to do with the trade war. Essentially Nike are a global brand and corporation and it's hard to really see how a bad reaction in one country is going to affect them that much....it's probably reduced them a little from where they would be....but nothing major.
Yep, he is very progressive but the overall message is still universal and told very well. The overall narrative is that companies make this stuff so people talk about the brand. If you are talking about the brand positively or negatively, you have become the advert for the company.
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Stirlingsays 24 Aug 19 2.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Yep, he is very progressive but the overall message is still universal and told very well. The overall narrative is that companies make this stuff so people talk about the brand. If you are talking about the brand positively or negatively, you have become the advert for the company. Mmmm....something tells me that if this chap had watched a series of nationalist themed adverts by corporations he wouldn't be putting out quite the same message 'nothing to see here, it's just a marketing tool'. I bet he wouldn't be mocking those burning shoes or smashing coffee machines......even though I agree, it's not that rational. Still, good post.
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Invalid user 2019 25 Aug 19 10.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Exactly, it's like those ads that have absolutely nothing to do with the product. People waddle around telling everyone about how stupid the latest 'insert company brand here' ad is, while not realising that they've turned themselves into a walking billboard in the process. If people are busily talking about your product you've done something right. Advertising agencies see that we're in a time where many adopt and cheer-lead clichéd and ultra simplistic 'off the shelf' worldviews of left and right, and so they plug directly into them to stay relevant. Many people are quite easy to influence or brainwash both commercially and politically if you whisper a few sweet nothings as you get them onside or empty their pocket. Hell basement dweller Youtubers with a nothing budget can do that, so you can be damn sure that huge corporations with multi million dollar budgets can too. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't. This whole market is slightly in decline due to the popularity of facial hair, so it's natural to try to find new angles and to play it by ear. Left, right, or whatever, if anyone genuinely thinks these companies really care about any cause or angle they 'nail their colours to', they're dreaming. Like with the Nike NFL stuff. Ultimately it's just the dynamic and opportunistic nature of marketing in action. If companies apparently heartfelt views result in a commercial hit, they suddenly unbelieve overnight. Edited by dollardays (26 Aug 2019 11.45am)
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Who sponsors Soccer Saturday on Sky TV ? and do you buy their merchandise ?
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