To be fair that was then, now is the perennial dog fight.

We have been relegated from Prem four times so our stay up number is better than that

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We tried to re sign Cabaye, offered him a new contract, gut he didn't want for various reasons, Roy and Parish also high hopes of getting RLC back, probably would have cone if Chelsea hadn't changed manager

We don't know what terms were offered though and it's my guess that they were greatly reduced from his existing terms

We knew Cabaye was leaving months ahead of time.

If anyone on here still thinks Meyer can do what Cabaye did for us, I would be surprised. I am not saying Meyer is a poor player, but he is nowhere near strong enough in the tackle to be up there with Cabaye.

Cabaye got a lot of stick for not scoring 30 yarders every week but he was an important cog for us, a player who could not only break up play but could pick a pass. Meyer is good at the latter but not strong enough at the former in this league as yet.

As for RLC you cannot build your team or tactics around loan players. As soon as he got picked for the World Cup we must have known we would not get him, and it was OBVIOUS Chelsea would get a new manager in.

We failed to replace RLC whatsoever, and so far don’t have a player doing what Cabaye did last year.

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The problem with Palace is simples no one in the club can consistantly score goals , and that has been the case for the last 2 years, I can see that, you can see that, but the management stay quiet , then hope someone will come along to get them out of the sherbet like a new manager or 3 teams worst than Palace. I can almost predicts Roys interview after the next match .

Commentator "Well Roy you just missed out yet again"

Roy " Thats Football I thought we showed how good a team we are" and then rambles on how he saw the game

Commentator " Thats true Roy but where do you think its going wrong"

Roy " We are just missing that final ball at the moment and putting it in the net "

And so on and so on .

There must be at least 2 forwards in the world that our talented scouting team can source and keep quiet about for the upcoming January tranfer window otherwise we are doomed .

I have never said that know more about Sorloth than Roy, that would be ridiculous. He does see him in training everyday.

There are players that do wonders in training but then come match day, they are poor and vice versa. But I don't care what anyone says, you can never really see how a player is going to do in a team unless they get a good run of games. Am I wrong?

The world and his wife want a striker that can strike. Benteke was amazing in training last season, Roy said it lots of times in his press conferences. I personally thought that he would come good, as did many others and his contribution to the team when he did play was great but no goals.

My main point is that, we have brought in players to improve the squad and we're not giving them a decent chance. They can't even get a shout ahead of the player they have been brought in to improve on.

I say again, if Ward hadn't been injured, I can't see how Roy would have ever given AWB a chance in the first team. We now know how good he is purely by chance.

Riedawald, not given a decent chance, Guiata, not give a decent chance, Sorloth, not being given a decent chance but Ayew, who everyone knows all about can get a start, Schllup, who is a good left back, gets played, out of position, Kelly, a good squad player, gets played ahead of Jairo. McArthur, played out of position, Townsend, played out of position, Zaha, played out of position, Meyer, played out of position. Those decisions are made by the manager and that's why we are where we are.

It's not terrible, I say again, I don't think we will go down but wave goodbye to a comfortable, season where we push on, as we all hoped for. We're going to have another "Palace Season", and that's cool, I just wanted a little more this time.

Roy does see his players day in day out but we look at the league table and imho, we should be doing better with what I think is one of the best Palace squads I have seen in a long while.

P.S, I mentioned Rooney and Tosun to highlight that everyone is looking for a goal scorer but it doesn't always work out, even for bigger or the biggest clubs. If Everton didn't give Rooney games after signing him, fans would wonder why..

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