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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Aug 18 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
What's clear is an ice bath is cool and nothing is clear. Edited by Park Road (14 Aug 2018 3.35pm) Wha Firstly, is this a riddle? 'What's clear is an ice bath is cool and nothing is clear'. Secondly, I'm not a massive fan of segues, but fine. Poland is not a major player in the recent conflicts in the middle east. Neither is Hungary when both compared with the UK and of course the US. These facts then link into my original response to Stirling. See post. Again. Polands recent historical colonial prowess is minimal (note, not non-existent) when compared to the exploits of the British Empire. Also a fact. Ergo, the UK is more attractive as a destination to attack than Poland, likewise with Hungary. And we've come full circle. Also note that the point regarding colonialism and involvement in the middle east was part of a wider point, not the only reason for justification.
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Stirlingsays 14 Aug 18 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
This line of attack doesn't hold water. They're not the main protagonists. If you're planning a terrorist attack in Europe, if you've got half a brain you'll be aiming to target the highest profile, most committed and involved country possible. As the group leader, America is tricky, so its close ally the UK will do nicely thank you very much. There have also been terrorist attacks in other countries besides the UK, such as France, Spain and Belgium which has had a significant number of recent attacks. It's worth pointing out that Belgium committed far less troops to the 'War on terror' and 'Operation Enduring Freedom' than Poland, which was also one of the leading contributors to the NATO force in Afghanistan, and only marginally more than Hungary. Has this point been trotted out to tee up a reply (in regard to perceived anti-muslim refugee laws in Poland, ergo supporting the constant anti-immigration arguments on here) if so the basis for it being made is in fact incorrect. Poland accepts muslim immigrants and refugees, it does not accept relocation refugees from other countries. Poland also has far less of a history with the Middle East, colonialism and empire building. Anyone with half a brain would realise that the reason there are no terrorism attacks in these countries is precisely because there are no significant Islamic communities there. The far left and economic right have supported the import of these communities and they hold some responsibility for the problems we have with them. In Poland Muslims constitute less than 0.1% of the total population. As for historic reasons such as colonialism and empire building....that's yet more BS from the far left.....if this had any relevance....where are the attacks from Hindus and Sikhs? Complete BS. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2018 3.48pm)
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Park Road 14 Aug 18 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Wha Firstly, is this a riddle? 'What's clear is an ice bath is cool and nothing is clear'. Secondly, I'm not a massive fan of segues, but fine. Poland is not a major player in the recent conflicts in the middle east. Neither is Hungary when both compared with the UK and of course the US. These facts then link into my original response to Stirling. See post. Again. Polands recent historical colonial prowess is minimal (note, not non-existent) when compared to the exploits of the British Empire. Also a fact. Ergo, the UK is more attractive as a destination to attack than Poland, likewise with Hungary. And we've come full circle. Also note that the point regarding colonialism and involvement in the middle east was part of a wider point, not the only reason for justification. If you can't work that out - then how can I take anything you say seriously.
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Park Road 14 Aug 18 4.03pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Wha Firstly, is this a riddle? 'What's clear is an ice bath is cool and nothing is clear'. Secondly, I'm not a massive fan of segues, but fine. Poland is not a major player in the recent conflicts in the middle east. Neither is Hungary when both compared with the UK and of course the US. These facts then link into my original response to Stirling. See post. Again. Polands recent historical colonial prowess is minimal (note, not non-existent) when compared to the exploits of the British Empire. Also a fact. Ergo, the UK is more attractive as a destination to attack than Poland, likewise with Hungary. And we've come full circle. Also note that the point regarding colonialism and involvement in the middle east was part of a wider point, not the only reason for justification. You forgot to say, Jeez.
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elgrande bedford 14 Aug 18 4.32pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Our elected leaders? We've just sent more troops in to Afghanistan, and we have troops remaining in Syria and Iraq, while we have sent our officers in to Yemen to aid the Saudis.
Please get your facts right about the troops being sent to Afghanistan.
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elgrande bedford 14 Aug 18 4.38pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Please get your facts right about the troops being sent to Afghanistan. And I know this ,because my son (who was with me at Fulham on Saturday) is one of the soon to be deployed.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Aug 18 4.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anyone with half a brain would realise that the reason there are no terrorism attacks in these countries is precisely because there are no significant Islamic communities there. The far left and economic right have supported the import of these communities and they hold some responsibility for the problems we have with them. In Poland Muslims constitute less than 0.1% of the total population. As for historic reasons such as colonialism and empire building....that's yet more BS from the far left.....if this had any relevance....where are the attacks from Hindus and Sikhs? Complete BS. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2018 3.48pm) If it's possible for you to keep left and right out of it in just one post that would be ace, so we can just debate the points raised. I don't identify with either or nail my colours to the mast as spectacularly as you lot because it doesn't help anyone. *rolls eyes* Back to the point... I agree that smaller numbers of minorities in a country probably goes some way to preventing segmentation and 'closed communities' like we have here. I also agree that having more islamic citizens in a country would by the very nature of probability increase the chance of terrorism 'in the name of islam'. However I cannot agree that this is the sole reason why the UK is a target for terrorist attacks when compared with the two countries given as examples. I also don't think it's possible to claim as much. Plus, I don't see this as a reason to tar a whole swathe of individuals with the same brush. It's ignorant and helps no one. Regarding colonialism and our history, it would be hard to argue that our past did not have at least a slight contributing effect. Note, I never said it was the primary reason, just part of it. As for your point regarding Hindus and Sikhs, no idea. I'm theorising here because I don't know the answers, but possibly because they are supposedly more peaceful religions, because we're not occupying and bombing countries where the main religion is... Islam, and because the fact that most prominent terror organisations orchestrating these attacks proclaim themselves to be doing so in the name of muslim faith. Probably.
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Stuk Top half 14 Aug 18 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
If it's possible for you to keep left and right out of it in just one post that would be ace, so we can just debate the points raised. I don't identify with either or nail my colours to the mast as spectacularly as you lot because it doesn't help anyone. *rolls eyes* Back to the point... I agree that smaller numbers of minorities in a country probably goes some way to preventing segmentation and 'closed communities' like we have here. I also agree that having more islamic citizens in a country would by the very nature of probability increase the chance of terrorism 'in the name of islam'. However I cannot agree that this is the sole reason why the UK is a target for terrorist attacks when compared with the two countries given as examples. I also don't think it's possible to claim as much. Plus, I don't see this as a reason to tar a whole swathe of individuals with the same brush. It's ignorant and helps no one. Regarding colonialism and our history, it would be hard to argue that our past did not have at least a slight contributing effect. Note, I never said it was the primary reason, just part of it. As for your point regarding Hindus and Sikhs, no idea. I'm theorising here because I don't know the answers, but possibly because they are supposedly more peaceful religions, because we're not occupying and bombing countries where the main religion is... Islam, and because the fact that most prominent terror organisations orchestrating these attacks proclaim themselves to be doing so in the name of muslim faith. Probably. Unless you're selling beef/cattle in certain parts of India, then they can be fairly murderous.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Aug 18 4.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Unless you're selling beef/cattle in certain parts of India, then they can be fairly murderous. Indeed
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 14 Aug 18 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Plus, I don't see this as a reason to tar a whole swathe of individuals with the same brush. It's ignorant and helps no one. I don't think anybody on here ever does. It's OK to tar rest of us with that brush though, isn't it.
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baldeagle73 Leamington spa 14 Aug 18 5.06pm | |
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Without wanting to appear like a racist right wing fool it would certainly seem the more Muslims in a western country the more terrorists you have and more people getting maimed and killed
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Aug 18 5.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
You forgot to say, Jeez. I thought the sarcasm was implied. Please insert '...supposed to be...' And you forgot to debate the point...
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