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dannyboy1978 27 Jun 18 10.49pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Not like Nigel Farage with Remoaners then... No,Nigel farage doesn't cell remoaners rascist? Next lie?
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dannyboy1978

27 Jun 18 10.49pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Not like Nigel Farage with Remoaners then...

No,Nigel farage doesn't cell remoaners rascist? Next lie?

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DanH SW2 27 Jun 18 11.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays From my perspective the culture of society always has to be encouraged to be meritocratic rather than equal. For example, you want the best surgeon for your hospital operation. How this is implemented however can have elements of fairness....as long as that doesn't result in ultimately not having the best people performing the important functions in life. For example, I agree with you that a system where opportunity is open for 'everyone' to succeed ability wise independent of class is important. That's why I don't believe in grammar schools and I would probably end private schools. Then again, I wouldn't be soft on poor behaviour and politically correct on performance. Rigor shouldn't be the buzz word it is and discipline and the caine would be back in my system. Activists would be shown the door. I would still have our universities but I would end any form of affirmative action and ensure that only the brightest went to them. This doesn't end the specter of inequality of course as better families educate their own people and rich ones pay for it.....but it does make the system fairer. I would come down hard on cronyism. I want the brightest, not the best connected. A difference from you however is probably that you would have this open to everyone whereas I would only have the British educational systems open to the British, with the exception of paid for foreign students. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2018 9.43am) Yep. Pretty much up until the last paragraph I agreed with every word. But I feel the last bit is very nuanced, and probably more weirdly I think I advocate free markets more than you do.
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SW2 27 Jun 18 11.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

From my perspective the culture of society always has to be encouraged to be meritocratic rather than equal. For example, you want the best surgeon for your hospital operation.

How this is implemented however can have elements of fairness....as long as that doesn't result in ultimately not having the best people performing the important functions in life.

For example, I agree with you that a system where opportunity is open for 'everyone' to succeed ability wise independent of class is important.

That's why I don't believe in grammar schools and I would probably end private schools. Then again, I wouldn't be soft on poor behaviour and politically correct on performance. Rigor shouldn't be the buzz word it is and discipline and the caine would be back in my system. Activists would be shown the door.

I would still have our universities but I would end any form of affirmative action and ensure that only the brightest went to them.

This doesn't end the specter of inequality of course as better families educate their own people and rich ones pay for it.....but it does make the system fairer. I would come down hard on cronyism. I want the brightest, not the best connected.

A difference from you however is probably that you would have this open to everyone whereas I would only have the British educational systems open to the British, with the exception of paid for foreign students.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2018 9.43am)

Yep. Pretty much up until the last paragraph I agreed with every word. But I feel the last bit is very nuanced, and probably more weirdly I think I advocate free markets more than you do.

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DanH SW2 27 Jun 18 11.09pm
And apologies for the lack of ability to quote, I’m white flighting on my way back to Essex on a train.
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SW2 27 Jun 18 11.09pm

And apologies for the lack of ability to quote, I’m white flighting on my way back to Essex on a train.

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Stirlingsays 27 Jun 18 11.13pm
Originally posted by DanH Yep. Pretty much up until the last paragraph I agreed with every word. But I feel the last bit is very nuanced, and probably more weirdly I think I advocate free markets more than you do. Well, I support free markets of course. I just don't advocate for anything that acts against nationhood. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2018 11.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jun 18 11.13pm

Originally posted by DanH

Yep. Pretty much up until the last paragraph I agreed with every word. But I feel the last bit is very nuanced, and probably more weirdly I think I advocate free markets more than you do.

Well, I support free markets of course.

I just don't advocate for anything that acts against nationhood.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2018 11.13pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Jun 18 11.15pm
Originally posted by DanH And apologies for the lack of ability to quote, I’m white flighting on my way back to Essex on a train. I'm glad I brought you to this self realization. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2018 11.15pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Jun 18 11.15pm

Originally posted by DanH

And apologies for the lack of ability to quote, I’m white flighting on my way back to Essex on a train.

I'm glad I brought you to this self realization.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jun 2018 11.15pm)

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.TUX. 28 Jun 18 7.04am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If only people acted ethically eh. All's fair in love and war....and especially other peoples money Tux. EFA. Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

28 Jun 18 7.04am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If only people acted ethically eh.

All's fair in love and war....and especially other peoples money Tux.

EFA.

Buy Litecoin.

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Jun 18 10.18pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Correct People have wealth through either privelidge, circumstance, or aptitude but one common denominator is interdependence, i.e. they need economies, markets and manpower to generate and scale their wealth. Entrepreneurship is successful if there is enough consumer demand and wealth, coming from people who have bought from taxable income. a premiership footballer's income is also based on the amount of consumer demand from either TV. sponsor or fanbase. Again from taxable income. In all cases it's a case of intelligent or priveldged people manipulating the system or people. That's why they should always pay a higher pro rata tax not related to their own personal tax take Edited by Pussay Patrol (27 Jun 2018 10.01pm) You can always find a different supplier or tradesman or don't pay to watch or don't subscribe. That's what a democracy is Choice. There are only a few services where they have you by the gonads and they are multi nationals and even the rich have to use them.
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The garden of England 28 Jun 18 10.18pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Correct

People have wealth through either privelidge, circumstance, or aptitude but one common denominator is interdependence, i.e. they need economies, markets and manpower to generate and scale their wealth. Entrepreneurship is successful if there is enough consumer demand and wealth, coming from people who have bought from taxable income. a premiership footballer's income is also based on the amount of consumer demand from either TV. sponsor or fanbase. Again from taxable income. In all cases it's a case of intelligent or priveldged people manipulating the system or people. That's why they should always pay a higher pro rata tax not related to their own personal tax take

Edited by Pussay Patrol (27 Jun 2018 10.01pm)

You can always find a different supplier or tradesman or don't pay to watch or don't subscribe.
That's what a democracy is
Choice.
There are only a few services where they have you by the gonads and they are multi nationals and even the rich have to use them.

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Pussay Patrol 28 Jun 18 10.27pm
Originally posted by cryrst You can always find a different supplier or tradesman or don't pay to watch or don't subscribe. That's what a democracy is Choice. There are only a few services where they have you by the gonads and they are multi nationals and even the rich have to use them. why do you vehemently defend the wealthy? Do you subscribe to the trickle down theory? do you think the wealth gap is too narrow? Edited by Pussay Patrol (28 Jun 2018 10.28pm) Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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28 Jun 18 10.27pm

Originally posted by cryrst

why do you vehemently defend the wealthy? Do you subscribe to the trickle down theory? do you think the wealth gap is too narrow?

Edited by Pussay Patrol (28 Jun 2018 10.28pm)

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 28 Jun 18 10.32pm
Originally posted by .TUX. EFA. Noted. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

28 Jun 18 10.32pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

EFA.

Noted.

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jun 18 8.11am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol why do you vehemently defend the wealthy? Do you subscribe to the trickle down theory? do you think the wealth gap is too narrow? Edited by Pussay Patrol (28 Jun 2018 10.28pm) Stirling I don't defend the wealthy. There is nothing to defend them about. They need people to see that fairness has to be the normal. The wealthy are actually a group of people which is getting bigger Not through actually getting richer but by the gap between rich and poor closing. So it is very narrow at present and will get even more so. If you have a house worth a million you are now deemed as rich and in that bracket. But you only got that because you bought it ages ago. That's not down to an individual being an entrepreneur and stuffing people on the way up. It doesnt mean you are rich as you need to live somewhere. It does seem like no one actually gives a monkey's about what the rich pay. Unless they can "surely" pay more. Be careful not to kill the goose which lays the golden egg.
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The garden of England 29 Jun 18 8.11am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

why do you vehemently defend the wealthy? Do you subscribe to the trickle down theory? do you think the wealth gap is too narrow?

Edited by Pussay Patrol (28 Jun 2018 10.28pm)

Stirling I don't defend the wealthy.
There is nothing to defend them about.
They need people to see that fairness has to be the normal.
The wealthy are actually a group of people which is getting bigger
Not through actually getting richer but by the gap between rich and poor closing. So it is very narrow at present and will get even more so.
If you have a house worth a million you are now deemed as rich and in that bracket.
But you only got that because you bought it ages ago.
That's not down to an individual being an entrepreneur and stuffing people on the way up. It doesnt mean you are rich as you need to live somewhere.
It does seem like no one actually gives a monkey's about what the rich pay. Unless they can "surely" pay more.
Be careful not to kill the goose which lays the golden egg.

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Stirlingsays 29 Jun 18 8.34am
Originally posted by cryrst Stirling I don't defend the wealthy. There is nothing to defend them about. They need people to see that fairness has to be the normal. The wealthy are actually a group of people which is getting bigger Not through actually getting richer but by the gap between rich and poor closing. So it is very narrow at present and will get even more so. If you have a house worth a million you are now deemed as rich and in that bracket. But you only got that because you bought it ages ago. That's not down to an individual being an entrepreneur and stuffing people on the way up. It doesnt mean you are rich as you need to live somewhere. It does seem like no one actually gives a monkey's about what the rich pay. Unless they can "surely" pay more. Be careful not to kill the goose which lays the golden egg. No worries Cryrst, I do defend the wealthy. They are a sign of a meritocratic society that works and as long as they are responsible and support the society that enabled that wealth I celebrate them. I totally agree with you that you don't kill the goose which lays the golden egg....instead you feather the nest. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2018 8.35am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

29 Jun 18 8.34am

Originally posted by cryrst

No worries Cryrst, I do defend the wealthy.

They are a sign of a meritocratic society that works and as long as they are responsible and support the society that enabled that wealth I celebrate them.

I totally agree with you that you don't kill the goose which lays the golden egg....instead you feather the nest.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2018 8.35am)

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Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 18 10.52am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 No,Nigel farage doesn't cell remoaners rascist? Next lie? Oh, Farage has come up with plenty in his time. Let's start with 5 of them: [Link]
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Sportyteacher

London 29 Jun 18 10.52am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

No,Nigel farage doesn't cell remoaners rascist? Next lie?

Oh, Farage has come up with plenty in his time. Let's start with 5 of them:

[Link]

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