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jeeagles 24 May 18 1.40pm | |
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If all these people want the NHS to have more money then there's nothing stopping them putting their hand in their own pocket and donating. Or, if you are happy to pay more, why don't you just go private? Whilst I don't have a general issue with immigration, I can't see why we don't make people pay a minimum contribution before accessing services paid through tax. I'm Germany I think you have to live there for 6 years before you are entitled to anything so it's not an EU restriction. Last time my sister in law had a baby literally everyone else on her ward was Eastern European. Maternity care is very expensive and shouldnt be given to people who just want to turn up in the UK for a few years, have a baby, then move back home.
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Lyons550 Shirley 24 May 18 1.54pm | |
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Seeing as the brilliant NHS seems to be making us all live longer...in turn creating its own issues, why not start a Euthanasia dept to allow those (more often than not most expensive clients) to choose if they wish to no longer be a burden; saving the costs on the public purse but also controlling population rates in the process.
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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Seeing as the brilliant NHS seems to be making us all live longer...in turn creating its own issues, why not start a Euthanasia dept to allow those (more often than not most expensive clients) to choose if they wish to no longer be a burden; saving the costs on the public purse but also controlling population rates in the process. Better still....lets go full 'Logan's Run'! Ah...those memories of a young Jenny Agutter. Oh hang on...I'm 48...perhaps not.
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 18 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I think you will find the changing demographics of the country would make a far bigger impact on the costs for a single year than the whole total for any (disputed or unsubstantiated) migrant cost.
2 It undertakes unneccesary operations and services, like fertility, and some plastic surgery. 3 It conflates public and private services with teh easier and more profitable services being cherry picked and done by the same individual but for profit outside the NHS. 4 It has no written scope to describe the boundaries of what is avaialble. For example should all citizens of the UK be able to access drugs that cost 40K a month but merely delay death by a few months. 5 Better but more costly surgical procedures etc, saving those which would have died. 5 Post surgery or hospital care, and bed blocking. 6 The dicotomy that it campaigns to increase overall health of the nation costing money, whilst having to deal with more chronic disease related to old age like diabetes, heart conditions or senility; which costs massive amounts of money. 7 Containg supervirus caused by poor drug prescribing, hospital cleaniness etc. Society needs to decide what it wants and what it is willing to pay for before doing the costings. Costings should be a constraint and not the allowed run up Tsunami-like. Perhaps we would be better to relax regulations on smoking drinking etc; perhaps the elderly pay more tax. We need to make decisions first rather than chuck money at a public monolith which many see as so sacred it can not be questioned. Anyway enough about the NHS lets get back to debating sending the Windrush generation home because they now cost too much.
I agree with much of what you say but immigration is a factor whether you or others like it or not. A rapidly rising population must increase pressure on an already struggling service.
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becky over the moon 24 May 18 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No tax on much of their wealth though which is the big problem. That and gold plated pensions, which are being funded by tax and the work of the young. BT etc have to plug their pension deficits by cutting jobs, wages, benefits etc of current staff not the ones who creamed it off the top for years and are now retired. Also any wealth that is taxed is taxed at a significantly lower rate than income.
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steeleye20 Croydon 24 May 18 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
There should indeed be a thread on immigration, a catch-all if you like, so S and H can carry on about it 24 hours a day. So the rest of us could debate on-topic, which often lasts no longer than the opening few posts. But you know what, they would never go there..........
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Stirlingsays 24 May 18 2.13pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There should indeed be a thread on immigration, a catch-all if you like, so S and H can carry on about it 24 hours a day. So the rest of us could debate on-topic, which often lasts no longer than the opening few posts. But you know what, they would never go there.......... You do realise you just made a post that wasn't about the NHS.
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cryrst The garden of England 24 May 18 2.16pm | |
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The money wasted on the NHS seems to be on managers and more managers.
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Midlands Eagle 24 May 18 2.17pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
I get sick and tired of hearing about these gold plated pensions that we are all supposed to have. It is mainly civil servants, local authority workers and former employees of major companies who have these, and they are very much the minority of pensioners! My late father had one of these gold plated pensions. He was a senior civil servant and his excellent pension package was in part a consolation for earning less in his 45 year working life than he would have earned in the private sector. On the other hand my own pension was so small that I commuted it all for cash and had my kitchen rebuilt so for the rest of my life I have to live on my wits and a state pension
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 18 2.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You do realise you just made a post that wasn't about the NHS. You know that people just want to bury their heads in the sand when they make posts like that. Next, he will be telling us that immigration will have no effect on water supply or road congestion.
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Midlands Eagle 24 May 18 2.19pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The money wasted on the NHS seems to be on managers and more managers. My wife is a nurse in a local hospital and she probably spends one third of her working week in form filling as every slight detail has to be logged in case there is a legal comeback
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aquickgame2 Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 24 May 18 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
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