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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 19 May 18 12.28am |
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Originally posted by YT
Errrr no; an addict will just go somewhere else to gamble their money away Some destroying their finances won’t go elsewhere and that can only be a good thing.
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| Canterbury Palace Whitstable 19 May 18 1.24pm |
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I've been in the industry for nearly 10 years, started off in a Coral shop before moving into trading. Seen a lot of depressing things, people f***ing their lives up but nothing in the industry is as evil as those machines. People just can't control themselves on them and it's horrible to see individuals who are clearly risking it all through desperation. It's also a horrible environment to work in due to the aggressive atmosphere they generate and I have friends who have been threatened several times by people who have done their money. All in all delighted they're effectively going and rather than every betting shop folding, as predicted, I think it will bring back casual business and make the bookies a social environment again.
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 22 May 18 8.37am |
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Sorry Stuk but you're way wide of the mark on this issue. Of course an individual must take responsibility for his actions - and this is the first thing that recovering addicts of any type are told when they seek help. However, addiction is a mental illness and should be seen as such. Unless you have close experience of addiction it is very difficult to understand that the individual is actually powerless to do anything about it when in its thrall. Otherwise why would they do it, knowing how much harm they are doing themselves and those close to them. Fixed odds terminals, by offering almost limitless wins, are highly dangerous to susceptible people and should be banned outright in my view. What do they really provide apart from a way for addicts to ruin themselves? How many people really play them sensibly? Gambling in this country is out of control and seriously needs reigning in, and that includes the more "acceptable" forms such as the lottery.
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jeeagles  22 May 18 9.21am |
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Aside from the free market vs protect addicts argument for a second. These machines aren't really that productive way of spending money in the economy and there is no social benefit. I doubt anyone will miss them apart from the people that own them. I'm suprised it's the Tories that banned these though. Labour did nothing back when they had the chance.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Aside from the free market vs protect addicts argument for a second. These machines aren't really that productive way of spending money in the economy and there is no social benefit. I doubt anyone will miss them apart from the people that own them. I'm suprised it's the Tories that banned these though. Labour did nothing back when they had the chance. Gordon Brown, taxes and signing off big cheques, innit boss/bruv.
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Pussay Patrol  22 May 18 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Aside from the free market vs protect addicts argument for a second. These machines aren't really that productive way of spending money in the economy and there is no social benefit. I doubt anyone will miss them apart from the people that own them. I'm suprised it's the Tories that banned these though. Labour did nothing back when they had the chance. I believe in the early 00's Labour changed the legislation that abolished tax on gambling (if you remember you used to have to pay tax on your bets) but increased the tax levy on bookmaker, they also relaxed the laws slightly allowing the introduction of these machines. This was typical of the sort of stealth tax policies Gordon Brown introduced
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I believe in the early 00's Labour changed the legislation that abolished tax on gambling (if you remember you used to have to pay tax on your bets) but increased the tax levy on bookmaker, they also relaxed the laws slightly allowing the introduction of these machines. This was typical of the sort of stealth tax policies Gordon Brown introduced Allowing mega casinos in Manchester as well wasn’t it? How responsible.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Moose
Sorry Stuk but you're way wide of the mark on this issue. Of course an individual must take responsibility for his actions - and this is the first thing that recovering addicts of any type are told when they seek help. However, addiction is a mental illness and should be seen as such. Unless you have close experience of addiction it is very difficult to understand that the individual is actually powerless to do anything about it when in its thrall. Otherwise why would they do it, knowing how much harm they are doing themselves and those close to them. Fixed odds terminals, by offering almost limitless wins, are highly dangerous to susceptible people and should be banned outright in my view. What do they really provide apart from a way for addicts to ruin themselves? How many people really play them sensibly? Gambling in this country is out of control and seriously needs reigning in, and that includes the more "acceptable" forms such as the lottery. Except no one is saying they'll do this or agrees with it, they all want regulation to control it for them. This is similar to them wanting to ban food or booze "offers" where you get a lot of something for less than the normal price, as they say it's not fair to those who can't moderate themselves. So in effect you penalise people who can take up a good offer and have the self-control to not stuff the lot down their throat in one go.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Allowing mega casinos in Manchester as well wasn’t it? How responsible. Yep. All of the above. Which makes the comments at the end of every article on this all the more annoying, when they state: so and so of the shadow cabinet/opposition says "it doesn't go far enough" or "it should've been done a long time ago" etc.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Except no one is saying they'll do this or agrees with it, they all want regulation to control it for them. This is similar to them wanting to ban food or booze "offers" where you get a lot of something for less than the normal price, as they say it's not fair to those who can't moderate themselves. So in effect you penalise people who can take up a good offer and have the self-control to not stuff the lot down their throat in one go. Only on FOBT’s you can ruin financially yourself in 1 session whereas with tobacco, sugar and booze you can’t. Even those who think they’re in control can waste huge amounts that start the loss chasing mentality.
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 22 May 18 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Except no one is saying they'll do this or agrees with it, they all want regulation to control it for them. This is similar to them wanting to ban food or booze "offers" where you get a lot of something for less than the normal price, as they say it's not fair to those who can't moderate themselves. So in effect you penalise people who can take up a good offer and have the self-control to not stuff the lot down their throat in one go. Suggest you drop in on a GA or GamAnon meeting. You'll be amazed at how desperate those at their lowest ebb are to better themselves. And you'll be inspired by those who have conquered their addiction. Regulation does not cure addiction, addicts cure themselves with help. But prevention is better than cure, isn't it? I repeat, what good are these machines except to prey on the vulnerable for profit?
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| Pussay Patrol 22 May 18 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Except no one is saying they'll do this or agrees with it, they all want regulation to control it for them. This is similar to them wanting to ban food or booze "offers" where you get a lot of something for less than the normal price, as they say it's not fair to those who can't moderate themselves. So in effect you penalise people who can take up a good offer and have the self-control to not stuff the lot down their throat in one go. Bit like saying why should the speed limit be 30 miles an hour just because there's some idiots on the road?
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