I just want to make the point that I very much remember when Israel proposed building its wall to protect its citizens from Palestinian suicide bombers and similar attacks.

Boy oh boy....the sheer number of mostly far left and some left people and indeed others who shouted out that it wouldn't work. They criticised again and again.

They were wrong....not just a little wrong.....massively wrong and Israel were totally correct. They protected their citizens and many Jews are walking around now who would have been dead.

Yet how much recognition and self reflection did we hear from those western commentators?....bugger all. Because in truth a lot of them are fools and a section of them would privately like to see Palestinians hitting Israel.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I thank you sir and I've always found your posts perfectly lucid.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yup
I meant what Stirling put in much longer and grown up words.
Thank you stirling

I bet none of you complaining went up to London to protest the vile dictator Erdogan being invited here. Imprisoned 50,000 journalists, opposition leaders, policeman, judges. Massacres Kurds.

One rule for Yanks, one rule for everyone else...

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

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I bet none of you complaining went up to London to protest the vile dictator Erdogan being invited here. Imprisoned 50,000 journalists, opposition leaders, policeman, judges. Massacres Kurds.

One rule for Yanks, one rule for everyone else...

Erdogan is a vile totalitarian fundamentalist demagogue. No double standards from me on that one.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

An earlier post saying Israel's existence is a Biblical tale rather than an historical fact is a very odd and untrue statement. For a thorough background I'd strongly recommend "Jerusalem: The Biography" by Simon Sebag Montefiore. It details the history of the city and shows all groups have suffered there: Muslims, Christians but most often the Jews.
The shooting of civilians is wrong, but I wonder what Hamas strategy would have been if their offices were attacked by hundreds of youths throwing rocks etc despite repeated warnings and use of tear gas.