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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 18 9.25pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Nonsense you are going too far back. The Blair era from 1996 had none of those problems. We were discussing the 50 years of governments. That includes the 70's.
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.TUX. 26 Apr 18 9.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not arguing the Bretton Woods point. I'm suggesting that Wilson and Callaghan were in the pockets of the unions to the detrement of Britain as Corbyn would be again. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Apr 2018 9.24pm) Pot/kettle at times maybe?
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 26 Apr 18 10.12pm | |
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I'm over 50. Labour have governed several times in my lifetime. Every time they have lost an election, there has been a huge national debt. Once the cuts needed to reduce the debt start to work, the "man on the street" decides he wants to be nice to his neighbours, and votes Labour back in. And so the cycle continues.
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DanH SW2 26 Apr 18 10.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Always the language of skin colour with the left. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2018 7.01pm) Always the language of ‘wah wah wah I’m not quite getting it my own way any more’ with the demographic aforementioned.
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DanH SW2 26 Apr 18 10.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
One day, that'll be you, you fresh-skinned little 30-something nymph. Reported to moderator for not including ‘nubile’ in this.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 26 Apr 18 10.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I'm over 50. Labour have governed several times in my lifetime. Every time they have lost an election, there has been a huge national debt. Once the cuts needed to reduce the debt start to work, the "man on the street" decides he wants to be nice to his neighbours, and votes Labour back in. And so the cycle continues. Apologies to be the classic lefty with a graph but obviously its important to note that you are wrong. Debt was high uner Wilson and Callaghan but reached similar levels under Major. Historically though it has been low since the Post-war Keynesian programme, only really increasing after the global financial crash, before which both parties' fiscal policy was more or less the same. To become a surplus nation we'd have to be producing a lot more exportable products or increasing tax revenue, both things the Tories have shown a clear wish not to do by outsourcing industry and turning a blind eye while the city of London became a tax haven money laundering w@nk sock for the global elite to spill their collective load in to guilt free. Attachment: uk-history-national-debt.jpg (19.72Kb)
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Stirlingsays 26 Apr 18 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Always the language of ‘wah wah wah I’m not quite getting it my own way any more’ with the demographic aforementioned.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 26 Apr 18 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Apologies to be the classic lefty with a graph but obviously its important to note that you are wrong. Debt was high uner Wilson and Callaghan but reached similar levels under Major. Historically though it has been low since the Post-war Keynesian programme, only really increasing after the global financial crash, before which both parties' fiscal policy was more or less the same. To become a surplus nation we'd have to be producing a lot more exportable products or increasing tax revenue, both things the Tories have shown a clear wish not to do by outsourcing industry and turning a blind eye while the city of London became a tax haven money laundering w@nk sock for the global elite to spill their collective load in to guilt free. Thank you for the graphic. Regardless, I have been worse off under Labour government all my life. Whether that be financially or security, always worse. I am not rich. I am working class (as in manual work), and I am probably middle England. Labour does nothing for people like me, who actually help themselves, and don't rely on state handouts. The socialist ideal is noble, but why should I buy into it when I have earned my way to where I am without leeching from the state. It's people like me that pay off the debt ramped up by Labour governments who give it away to idle socialists who protest about rich people instead of going out and working.
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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Apr 18 5.37am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Thank you for the graphic. Regardless, I have been worse off under Labour government all my life. Whether that be financially or security, always worse. I am not rich. I am working class (as in manual work), and I am probably middle England. Labour does nothing for people like me, who actually help themselves, and don't rely on state handouts. The socialist ideal is noble, but why should I buy into it when I have earned my way to where I am without leeching from the state. It's people like me that pay off the debt ramped up by Labour governments who give it away to idle socialists who protest about rich people instead of going out and working. The present debt mountain has been caused by tory borrowings look it up. More than all the past labour administrations put together. As for leeching from the state, the state provides our education, health and welfare and many others. Made available for everybody by labour governments.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Apr 18 7.37am | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Pot/kettle at times maybe? Neither.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Apr 18 6.37pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The present debt mountain has been caused by tory borrowings look it up. More than all the past labour administrations put together. As for leeching from the state, the state provides our education, health and welfare and many others. Made available for everybody by labour governments.
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silvertop Portishead 30 Apr 18 5.29pm | |
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Oh dear, I consider myself part of the pragmatic middle but I do agree at least with the sentiments of the OP. The majority is silent and absurdly tolerant. A woman runs her shopping trolley into you. It really hurts. You apologise to her. A person nonchalantly lets their dog hump your leg to completion. You tolerate and laugh it off. We have grit; we tolerate; we say nothing. Moreover, the majority you talk about have no political representation. I once asked a person who organises a public swimming diary why actual public swimming for those who paid their rates was limited to about 2 hours a week. The rest was filled with women only, disabled only, lesbian only [keep your mind on topic!] etc. Because white men have no lobbying force came the reply. A while ago I was in conversation with a Jewish friend who was ranting about the shift to populism. I told her that people were getting tired of having our shortcomings rubbed in our faces. I am aware that we were central in the great slave genocide and hardly welcoming to the Windrush and similar migrations. Our historic attitude to mental and physical disability and sexual orientation also left something to be desired. However, there have been cosmic improvements; and we are still working hard to make life as tolerable and fair for everyone. So stop saturating the media with "poor me" stories where a diversity tick box was incorrectly filled in. Don't give a 30 min TV special to a "comedian" because they are Asian and female - they also have to be funny. Stop airing constant grievances by those of some minority origin - there are other news stories. Anyway, the point I made was that there are terrible moments in history that arose because the majority were ignored. In this country's case that is only likely to happen if they try and re-schedule the Archers. However, you can't always rely on our tolerance. A breaking point will be reached and, when it does, for an ageing liberal like me the populist backlash could be very unpleasant indeed.
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