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mattteo 24 Apr 18 10.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Griffish
Definitely let go of Lee, Ladapo. Unpopular opinion but three year contracts to Ward, Kelly and Hennessy. None will be in the starting lineup next season but can all be important squad players and are at decent ages. McArthur and Sako two year contracts. Cabaye one year contract. Think we should also move on Souare unfortunately. We have PVA and Schlupp who are better, and Riedewald can cover there as he has done for Ajax. That's just opting to maintain mediocrity. A team would never improve with this mentality. These players are not good enough. Get over it. Teams need players to challenge for starter positions, not settle for being on the bench
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Aray South London 24 Apr 18 11.00pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
That's just opting to maintain mediocrity. A team would never improve with this mentality. These players are not good enough. Get over it. Teams need players to challenge for starter positions, not settle for being on the bench Realistically how many players do you think we can afford to buy during the summer and can be integrated with the team? I doubt we can expect much more than 3 maybe 4 newcomers. Most clubs run on the principle of having 2 players for each position. With that objective I’m happy with Ward, Kelly and Hennessy. We have a new keeper lined up. If Speroni retires then we’d another. Losing Hennessy would mean bringing in 3... Delaney is going so we need at least another CB. So letting Kelly go...you do the maths. We’ve got AWB as an aspiring first choice RB. How do we bring in another without blocking him? Let’s look at the bigger picture We ain't buying 8 players this summer and I don’t think it would be wise to.
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mattteo 24 Apr 18 11.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Aray
Most clubs run on the principle of having 2 players for each position. With that objective I’m happy with Ward, Kelly and Hennessy.
You ask how many could be integrated. Anything that can bring higher value than Ward, Kelly, Lee or Benteke should be integrated. If you can bring 10 new players in a singe transfer period who are better than what you have, you have to do whatever it takes to get them, even though integration will be hard. Will it disrupt the team? Only if you don't know quality and bring in worse players than those you already have. Otherwise, would you really not swap a player like Ward for a right back as Rafael or Benfica's Almeida? van der Wiel (formerly great in PSG) was just bought 2 months ago by an MLS club with a really small fee of just about 200 thousand from Cagliari. Would you not rather have can der Wiel and AWB fighting it off for the position an entire season rather than Ward and AWB? Check out the transfer talk topics, you'll see a lot of cheap possibilities
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 24 Apr 18 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
You ask how many could be integrated. Anything that can bring higher value than Ward, Kelly, Lee or Benteke should be integrated. If you can bring 10 new players in a singe transfer period who are better than what you have, you have to do whatever it takes to get them, even though integration will be hard. Will it disrupt the team? Only if you don't know quality and bring in worse players than those you already have. Otherwise, would you really not swap a player like Ward for a right back as Rafael or Benfica's Almeida? van der Wiel (formerly great in PSG) was just bought 2 months ago by an MLS club with a really small fee of just about 200 thousand from Cagliari. Would you not rather have can der Wiel and AWB fighting it off for the position an entire season rather than Ward and AWB? Check out the transfer talk topics, you'll see a lot of cheap possibilities To amplify the points Aray has already very eloquently made: Other than the supposed ‘top six’ clubs, pretty much every club in the Premiership is potentially a relegation candidate. Stoke, Southampton and, to an extent, West Brom would have been seen as pretty solid fixtures in the division yet all three are now literally fighting for their lives. Wholesale replacement of the squad is 1. unrealistic, 2. very expensive and 3. a deranged expectation. It’s true that we have several positions in need of serious upgrade but, then again, so does pretty much everyone else. Competition amongst 14 clubs is keen. If you’re expecting a whole host of new arrivals in the next window, I’m afraid you’re going to be very bitterly disappointed.
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NickinOX Sailing country. 25 Apr 18 12.31am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The story goes that Brede Hangeland was asked by Pardew to scout his own replacement when he retired and he picked Tomkins Hangeland confirmed this.
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NickinOX Sailing country. 25 Apr 18 12.41am | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
You ask how many could be integrated. Anything that can bring higher value than Ward, Kelly, Lee or Benteke should be integrated. If you can bring 10 new players in a singe transfer period who are better than what you have, you have to do whatever it takes to get them, even though integration will be hard. Will it disrupt the team? Only if you don't know quality and bring in worse players than those you already have. Otherwise, would you really not swap a player like Ward for a right back as Rafael or Benfica's Almeida? van der Wiel (formerly great in PSG) was just bought 2 months ago by an MLS club with a really small fee of just about 200 thousand from Cagliari. Would you not rather have can der Wiel and AWB fighting it off for the position an entire season rather than Ward and AWB? Check out the transfer talk topics, you'll see a lot of cheap possibilities What qualifies as cheap? How do you know they will be as cheap in terms of fee and wages as you claim? How do you know that van der Wiel would have played better than Ward in the PL? We have several positions that need urgent attention: center forward; central midfield (with two players out of contract and one on loan); at least one wide midfielder; which tells me that we have more urgent needs elsewhere, even if I think Ward needs to be replaced as first choice. Edited by NickinOX (25 Apr 2018 1.23pm)
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dannyboy1978 25 Apr 18 7.29am | |
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I would like to improve our first team by moving first team players to the bench who ever that might be. If the new signings don't work out we can go back to tried and tested players. How much would we have liked to have Murray on the bench?
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loosebolts 25 Apr 18 8.25am | |
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Supporters of the club who want to ditch 8 players who have done a great service to the club over the years. 1. We can't afford to replace the first 11 as you seem to be suggesting. 2. Ward/Hennessey/Kelly aren't the reason we're in the position we're in, playing an odd formation under an incompatible manager for the start of the season is. Hennessey has been getting better in the last bit of the season, Ward is just coming back from injury but is a solid player - not the best but by no means the worst, Kelly has been putting in some decent performances recently. If you're thinking of offloading, you need to look at players who don't even make the bench rather than players who are already integrated into our system, buy into our philosophy, and willing to perform for the badge, and have actually been playing.
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Aray South London 25 Apr 18 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by loosebolts
Supporters of the club who want to ditch 8 players who have done a great service to the club over the years. 1. We can't afford to replace the first 11 as you seem to be suggesting. 2. Ward/Hennessey/Kelly aren't the reason we're in the position we're in, playing an odd formation under an incompatible manager for the start of the season is. Hennessey has been getting better in the last bit of the season, Ward is just coming back from injury but is a solid player - not the best but by no means the worst, Kelly has been putting in some decent performances recently. If you're thinking of offloading, you need to look at players who don't even make the bench rather than players who are already integrated into our system, buy into our philosophy, and willing to perform for the badge, and have actually been playing. Spot on. But yes - we'd be crazy to discard functional players who are fully integrated into the team. And what to gamble on 10 players? How many of those will click? Anyone who thinks we just have to make it work is either inexperienced or immature as that is not how the real world works.
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taylors lovechild 25 Apr 18 8.32am | |
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Ward turned down a new contract earlier in the season, so he may well have decided to leave anyway. CYL will definitely leave. Delaney I imagine will retire. Jules I imagine will stay on as third choice and that would be fine by me. Wayne is a good backup as is Kelly. Sako, for me, probably did enough to earn a one-year contract but wages will be a factor as he really did very little until the last six months. Cabaye may well depend as much on him as on us. We will probably still offer more money than a French club, but sometimes players get sentimental at the end of their careers. I would be happy to keep him for another year. With Roy at the helm and with a less insane injury list I think the squad as it stands would be good for a top half finish next season. We have created a lot of chances in most games and when Tomkins and Sakho have played together they've been very solid. The big issue has been a striker and the big question this summer is whether we want to and are able to move Bentenke on and bring in someone who perhaps better suits Roy's system. I would also like to see the integration of a few more of our U23 players given their success this year and the way Bissaka has stepped up.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 Apr 18 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
Hangeland confirmed this. In that case maybe we should employ Hangeland as a scout.
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The Dolphin 25 Apr 18 9.33am | |
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Ward, Kelly and Hennessey could stay as back up if they are prepared to sit on the bench.
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