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 Stuk  Top half 18 Apr 18 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
I wouldn't say incorrect. They just don't know, couldn't say. Give it a couple of days. I think they do have a clue though, hence the "horrendous circumstances" quote. But no firm details. I said according to Amber Rudd. If there were documented cases of it you can bet your bottom dollar they'd be all over the press already.
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| chris123 hove actually 18 Apr 18 12.02pm |
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It’s not just the records that were destroyed, the Home Office seems to be making a complete mess of this and it used to be one of our better run departments. At the same time you can’t expect ministers to go every time civil servants make a cock up – they should go when they are the cause.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Apr 18 12.11pm |
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No, the Windrush people have been great. No surprise they are being treated like this then, or really why.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 18 Apr 18 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
It’s not just the records that were destroyed, the Home Office seems to be making a complete mess of this and it used to be one of our better run departments. At the same time you can’t expect ministers to go every time civil servants make a cock up – they should go when they are the cause. Ministers are only too happy to take the credit when civil servants actually perform in line with or in excess of expectations, therefore they must take the flack when things go wrong.
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| johnfirewall 18 Apr 18 8.10pm |
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Appalling especially when you consider how few criminals and established illegals have been deported. But how many people were even sent the letter? The boarding card debacle is shocking but contrary to one commentator's suggestion that the burden of proof is on the Home Office, surely the obligation is to retain your own documents. I wouldn't fancy my chances without papers ANYWHERE in the world. But obviously we're such racists and will do anything to sent 7 people back to the Windies while inviting 8,000 Syrians.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 18 Apr 18 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Guess that's my mistake for believing the words of a minister. Makes you wonder just how wedded they are to the truth in general, doesn't it :-)
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| Stirlingsays 19 Apr 18 5.21am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Makes you wonder just how wedded they are to the truth in general, doesn't it :-) True, though we are only believing the words of a minister that any have been deported. But the point that politicians are not that reliable is a valid one.....A truism as old as the hills.
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| chris123 hove actually 19 Apr 18 7.38am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Ministers are only too happy to take the credit when civil servants actually perform in line with or in excess of expectations, therefore they must take the flack when things go wrong. I'll give you flack, just not a resigning issue for me, unless there's been some misleading too.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 19 Apr 18 8.34am |
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| npn Crowborough 19 Apr 18 8.41am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No, the Windrush people have been great. No surprise they are being treated like this then, or really why. Can you fill me in on the 'why'?
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| npn Crowborough 19 Apr 18 8.41am |
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1. Administrative cock-up in the 70s leaving the Windrush dependents without documentation proving their right to remain (I'd have gone further and granted them all citizenship, but that's just me) 2. May's adoption of an aggressive environment for illegal immigrants - that, in my opinion, is a completely correct policy. illegals should be feeling unwelcome and under threat of deportation, and there should be at least some level of responsibility on employers to ensure the people they are hiring are legal residents. The point is that (as in 1) these people should not be showing as illegals If 1 hadn't happened, 2 is not an issue. It seems there are attempts from all over the place to make this party political, whereas it's been an issue, unaddressed by any side, for over 40 years, it's just more robust policing of illegals has brought it to the fore and it should hopefully now be addressed (finally)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Apr 18 9.26am |
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The hostile immigration environment Theresa May set out to create when she was at the Home Office was regarded by some ministers as “almost reminiscent of Nazi Germany” in the way it is working, the former head of the civil service, Lord Kerslake, has said. So much for 'oversights' and 'clerical errors'........
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