By which logic, I can safely assume that you self recognise as being cringey - interesting.

My dislike for these words in a grown-up political debate stems from the fact that they would most commonly be heard in a school playground, and this is about the level of intellect and maturity they represent

You know very little of my politics, or opinions, yet I challenged your use of two phrases, and your response was 'beta male alert' - sounds very much like schoolboy stuff to me.

That's just complete nonsense. It's just a flawed opinion poll conducted on a tiny sample of millions of people across Europe and only 1000 people of a population in excess of 65 million in the UK. It wouldn't stand up to any research scrutiny and it is somewhat surprising that any academic would attach their name to it.

You're referring to people who you disagree with as beta-males. On a football forum. Behind a keyboard, on a thread about a man who, if he took to the streets to make his views clear, may on a sunny day get a crowd of 200.

I think that two of the most prominent yet least well remembered aspects in the rise of intellectual fascism in the 20th century are the bio-politics regarding first blacks, then Jews, and the psychoanalysis that became a radical and exclusionary discourse throughout much of Europe, and influenced many prominent members of Fascist organisations. What I see aimed at towards both Muslims and many on the left is a worryingly similar train of thought.

Science is becoming a religion once again, one which has its certain holy scriptures that are misinterpreted and misinterpreted as they are passed around believers. Like most religions, the inherent transience and mutability of scientific thought is replaced with a hard-iron devotion to A few facts and doctrines. The beauty of science, like the beauty apparent in ALL religious texts, is being overlooked, while the interpretation which preaches exclusion and intolerance becomes gospel.

I say all this, by the way, as a science teacher.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Poor logic there I'm afraid. I professed no dislike of the word 'cringe'. I simply highlighted the inconsistency of, and possible reason for you disliking two pejorative words but not another.

Mmmm....I worked in a secondary school playground for years and I never heard these words. All three actually have quite adult themes behind them.

By the way a 'phrase' is a group of words, only 'beta male' could count but really it's a term.

In regards of them not being 'serious' or 'grown-up political debate'. Well, yes....that's fair comment. But this isn't Radio 4 Dan (if I can call you Dan). This is the politics section of a football forum.

Serious debates happen but it requires all the participants to want one. Obviously a thread about Tommy Robinson is going to be a contentious thread with polarised opinion.

I accept the potential criticism that it was Gusset-like of me to start this thread. However that's about the extent of it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Apr 2018 6.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I guess it is because all this thread seems to achieve is argument, hot air, polarised views and personal attacks but as others have said I suppose I can just ignore it.

Rubbish - you can only prove significance with an adequate sample. I'll stick with my judgement thanks.

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Edited by Direwolf (03 Apr 2018 6.14pm)