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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jan 18 9.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
But because scientists don't all agree exactly on the same conclusions, people like you try to claim there isn't consensus. Meanwhile, in the real world, the vast majority of peer-reviewed studies agree on the base findings that we're warming up the climate at an alarming rate and it's a very bad thing to do so.
No, people like me claim that scientific consensus is often driven by factors outside of science. In fact, I keep an open mind about the whole subject. You might want to look that up.
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Ray in Houston Houston 03 Jan 18 10.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No, people like me claim that scientific consensus is often driven by factors outside of science. In fact, I keep an open mind about the whole subject. You might want to look that up.
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becky over the moon 04 Jan 18 6.39am | |
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Aside from the debate of whether climate change is real or not, what puzzles me about this topic is how he hell a couple of dozen teenagers can afford the legal fees to sue the government, on what has been stated to be an ongoing battle covering the subject over several different charges........
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 18 8.03am | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Better to have an open mind than the delusion of rigid certainty.
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Rubin 04 Jan 18 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No, they have occurred over tens of thousands of years. The scientific community does not tolerate naysayers. It never has. It is not wise to speak out against the consensus if you want to preserve your reputation. I have seen good arguments for man made global warming but the evidence is nowhere near as cut and dried as some like yourelf claim. And funding.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 18 12.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
And funding. Money talks.
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Better to have an open mind than the delusion of rigid certainty.
There is nothing rigid about this process at all. And since when has ignoring the consensus findings of 97% of the scientific community been the smart play?
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wordup 04 Jan 18 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
There is nothing rigid about this process at all. Since people can just yell 'fake news' when they don't understand something and feel proud of their lack of knowledge rather than the need to educate themselves. Though in fairness, huge money from the oil industry has been trying to influence scientific and public opinion on climate change for decades with some success in the US mostly. They've even routinely hidden or scrapped their own research when it doesn't back up the propaganda. Thankfully solar and the likes are getting very cheap now so it's becoming a go to option even compared to coal and so on. Elon Musk and people like him will do their best to drag us out of this s*** heap and I hope they do so in time. If people want to care about immigration changing the face of our nation, it would also help if they realised the impact of issues such as this to lives and our contribution to it instead of moving along predictable political lines with some 'who knows, carry on regardless' nonsense.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 18 4.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
There is nothing rigid about this process at all. And since when has ignoring the consensus findings of 97% of the scientific community been the smart play? My failure to grasp? Ha ha, you are funny. I know how science works bud. If you want funding, you don't buck the trend and when theories are peer reviewed, it is by other scientists who need funding.
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 4.17pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
Since people can just yell 'fake news' when they don't understand something and feel proud of their lack of knowledge rather than the need to educate themselves. Though in fairness, huge money from the oil industry has been trying to influence scientific and public opinion on climate change for decades with some success in the US mostly. They've even routinely hidden or scrapped their own research when it doesn't back up the propaganda. Thankfully solar and the likes are getting very cheap now so it's becoming a go to option even compared to coal and so on. Elon Musk and people like him will do their best to drag us out of this s*** heap and I hope they do so in time. If people want to care about immigration changing the face of our nation, it would also help if they realised the impact of issues such as this to lives and our contribution to it instead of moving along predictable political lines with some 'who knows, carry on regardless' nonsense.
As renewable technology gets cheaper to install, it will gain more and more traction. Solar is on the cusp of this - as a home energy solution - right now, and the cost continues to fall dramatically. Energy analysts report that some emerging economies are skipping fossil fuels completely and going directly for renewables. It'll take a long time to wean ourselves off a fossil fuels, but if we can start laying down more renewables and less fossil fuel-based generating capacity as demand grows, we will mitigate greatly the environmental impact.
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
My failure to grasp? Ha ha, you are funny. I know how science works bud. If you want funding, you don't buck the trend and when theories are peer reviewed, it is by other scientists who need funding.
If things were as you say, scientists would still be trying to prove that that sun was our bitch because society and the all-powerful church of the time was vested in this being so. Scientists don't make money re-proving someone else's science. They make money when they break new ground. The link you provided shows this to be the case. Edited by Ray in Houston (04 Jan 2018 4.24pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 18 4.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
If things were as you say, scientists would still be trying to prove that that sun was our bitch because society and the all-powerful church of the time was vested in this being so. Scientists don't make money re-proving someone else's science. They make money when they break new ground. The link you provided shows this to be the case. Edited by Ray in Houston (04 Jan 2018 4.24pm) Yes and no. The church controlled scientific thinking and only when this stranglehold was loosened did free thinking flourish. Aristarchus had a similar theory to Copernicus hundreds of years earlier and even when Copernicus finally decided to risk ridicule and religious objection and publish his work, it was still being disputed by the church decades later.
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