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becky over the moon 28 Nov 17 4.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Perhaps, but hitting a woman still makes a bloke an arse....something they can come back from but an arse is an arse. The males in her family should get involved at that point. When I was young, raising a hand to a woman was regarded as the worst thing that a man worthy of the name could do. It was totally unacceptable to all the adult men that I knew. There was one couple that moved into a nearby flat and a few days later she had a black eye - the old walked into a door excuse was given when other women offered sympathy. Days later, another black eye and a bandaged wrist - this time the women started telling their husbands. After several episodes over a couple of months the husband of the poor woman sadly suffered a bit of an 'accident' down an alleyway on the way home from the pub. He had 2 black eyes, walked a bit peculiarly and had something of a limp for a week or two. She was never seen with any bruising again.
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Ray in Houston Houston 28 Nov 17 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are ignoring a lot of stuff to find that but yeah.....What we are talking about is the type of violence. When it comes to serious violence, men are the main issue.....more to other males than females but also to women.
Then you cited a study that was about violence in relationships only, that said men are the victims 40% of the time, suggesting that women are the victims 60% of the time. You made a sweeping generalization, then tried to support it with cherry-picked data. You are the one ignoring - or trying to obfuscate - "a lot of stuff".
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 17 4.47pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
When I was young, raising a hand to a woman was regarded as the worst thing that a man worthy of the name could do. It was totally unacceptable to all the adult men that I knew. There was one couple that moved into a nearby flat and a few days later she had a black eye - the old walked into a door excuse was given when other women offered sympathy. Days later, another black eye and a bandaged wrist - this time the women started telling their husbands. After several episodes over a couple of months the husband of the poor woman sadly suffered a bit of an 'accident' down an alleyway on the way home from the pub. He had 2 black eyes, walked a bit peculiarly and had something of a limp for a week or two. She was never seen with any bruising again. A kind of useful, 'care in the community'.
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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Nov 17 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
When I was young, raising a hand to a woman was regarded as the worst thing that a man worthy of the name could do. It was totally unacceptable to all the adult men that I knew. There was one couple that moved into a nearby flat and a few days later she had a black eye - the old walked into a door excuse was given when other women offered sympathy. Days later, another black eye and a bandaged wrist - this time the women started telling their husbands. After several episodes over a couple of months the husband of the poor woman sadly suffered a bit of an 'accident' down an alleyway on the way home from the pub. He had 2 black eyes, walked a bit peculiarly and had something of a limp for a week or two. She was never seen with any bruising again. Love it. How to deal with bullies. The end.
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 17 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Then you cited a study that was about violence in relationships only, that said men are the victims 40% of the time, suggesting that women are the victims 60% of the time. You made a sweeping generalization, then tried to support it with cherry-picked data. You are the one ignoring - or trying to obfuscate - "a lot of stuff". My statement is right, for general domestic violence. That's what I meant by 'Women are more violent to men than the other way around.'.....I'm not really picturing situations of women hitting men they don't know on streets. You asked for sources.....I gave you sources....you bitch about sources. As for 'cherry picking'....that's what you just did yourself. You highlighted the study you wanted.....one that itself goes against the 'men' only focus you push on this. Studies are out there showing that on domestic violence women are just as bad...and in reality worse. Plenty of women are violent in relationships.....it's usually lower key than males....it's less of a problem than males. The outcomes are usually less serious. In terms of actual incidents of women hitting men I would suggest they are far higher than men hitting women because.....firstly men don't tend to report this stuff due to social stigma......which I'd tend to agree with unless it's serious.......and secondly because...as I said, the damage done to men is usually far less serious than males hitting women.
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Stuk Top half 28 Nov 17 5.06pm | |
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And in cases like Kate Middleton's uncle - She started it, while he's gets charged for retaliation. Rightly so, but shouldn't they both get charged? Prosecutor Kate Shilton told the court the couple's taxi driver saw Mrs Goldsmith slap her husband in the face before he retaliated as they got home after a charity event.
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Ray in Houston Houston 28 Nov 17 5.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
My statement is right, for general domestic violence. That's what I meant by 'Women are more violent to men than the other way around.'.....I'm not really picturing situations of women hitting men they don't know on streets. You asked for sources.....I gave you sources....you bitch about sources. As for 'cherry picking'....that's what you just did yourself. You highlighted the study you wanted.....one that itself goes against the 'men' only focus you push on this. Studies are out there showing that on domestic violence women are just as bad...and in reality worse. Plenty of women are violent in relationships.....it's usually lower key than males....it's less of a problem than males. The outcomes are usually less serious. In terms of actual incidents of women hitting men I would suggest they are far higher than men hitting women because.....firstly men don't tend to report this stuff due to social stigma......which I'd tend to agree with unless it's serious.......and secondly because...as I said, the damage done to men is usually far less serious than males hitting women.
Straight out of Trump's playbook. "No puppet...no puppet...you're the puppet".
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Stirlingsays 28 Nov 17 5.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
So you made a general statement, tried to support it with data limited to a study of violence within relationships - that failed to support your statement - and I'm cherry-picking? Straight out of Trump's playbook. "No puppet...no puppet...you're the puppet".
I don't agree with him on much....but hey, if you find it annoying.
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elgrande bedford 28 Nov 17 6.26pm | |
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I have experience of these things on two counts. A really f***ed up man ( don't think the war helped,but still no excuse).
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johnfirewall 28 Nov 17 6.46pm | |
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I'd need to see more detail on 'removed from the welfare system'. How could it be the case that you can't pay for a refuge with your housing benefit while you can pay a private landlord? Note those 2 articles link back to eachother. Reading the document it just appears not to be within UC but will be delivered locally.
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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Nov 17 6.49pm | |
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pmt and the menopause are never good times to be around the suffering ladies unless in a suit of armour as it's our fault.
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cp forever south london 29 Nov 17 4.55pm | |
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I have read this thread with interest as I ran projects working with women and children (and some men) who were recovering from domestic abuse. I am impressed with the poster who was able to walk away from his violent wife, sadly many women lose their lives when they try to walk away, I think the generally accepted statistic is 2 women a week lose their lives (not per day), children also lose their lives and many are permanently scarred by their experience at the hands of a violent parent. This is a worldwide issue with history in this country that is linked to women's social role and lack of status. The fact is that domestic abuse proliferates and Refuges are a vital part of the protection needed and they struggle to meet the need and I gather one of the issues now is that funding will only be locally found and as it is often very important for women and children to leave their area and not be traceable then it is a worry that the national nature of the Refuge system is thought to be under threat. The need for help for all involved in this destructive human behaviour is very important, children in particular need to be able to recover as does the non abusive parent. It is not really party political and not helpful to deny it's significance for either men or women.
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