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Hunt saboteur hit by crop
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 elgrande  bedford 21 Nov 17 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by Superfly
My granddad once got a call from a Professionals fan coz his name in the phone book is similar to Lewis Collins Was it a female fan....did he......
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| Direwolf Lincoln 21 Nov 17 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I doubt it. The individual concerned was endangering himself, the rider and the horse. Probably already did damage to the horse's mouth. She asked him to let go and he refused. If you were in that situation - lets say someone grabbed your dog and swung it around to control you - what would you do? Knowing your dog was screaming with pain. As I viewed that the only person I could see being hostile was the mad women with the crop. She was obviously trying to intimidate the group by deliberately riding her horse into them and then repeatedly hits out with her crop. No way that can be considered self defence justified by someone holding her horse's reins.
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| Stuk Top half 21 Nov 17 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Direwolf
I suspect because they get persecuted by the police who support the local toffs rather than these nasty people wearing dark clothes instead of lovely red. The local toffs will also send a letter of complaint to the local police commissioner if they are not supported who will of course be connected to them in some way via the Mason's or some such old boys club. We've gone from one poster saying the police do nothing to another saying they have the time and resources to persecute a group of people. There's only one group being persecuted here, and it's the ones doing something legal on private land. They aren't wearing red either so you haven't even looked at the story. The PCC for Sussex would be hard pressed to be in an old boys club too.
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| Direwolf Lincoln 21 Nov 17 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
I have no idea,but most hunts are on privately owned land usally by a friendly farmer. Yes that is usually true. I suppose that begs the question then as to whether hunters can ask people to leave the land if they do not own it themselves?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Nov 17 5.11pm |
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'The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable'. Elsewhere I see that the tories have decided that animals do not feel pain. Especially on private land the fox is pleased to have the anaethesic effect of being ripped to pieces by hounds while still alive. They feel no pain you see. Vote conservative and be revolted.
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| Stuk Top half 21 Nov 17 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by Direwolf
Yes that is usually true. I suppose that begs the question then as to whether hunters can ask people to leave the land if they do not own it themselves? Of course they can. If you rent a hotel room and someone else barges in to it can you not ask them to leave? The illegal part is the trespassing, even when it's accidental. Not that this was.
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Nov 17 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Direwolf
As I viewed that the only person I could see being hostile was the mad women with the crop. She was obviously trying to intimidate the group by deliberately riding her horse into them and then repeatedly hits out with her crop. No way that can be considered self defence justified by someone holding her horse's reins. I'll have a look at the Metro footage when I get home. I watched the BBC footage three times and the sab had hold of the reins already and wouldn't let go when shouted at to do so. It would put a different complexion on the case if the lady charged at the Sab who then held the reins to prevent another charge. Horsey people do sometimes treat people in the same way as they treat horses. Come to think of it ....
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| Direwolf Lincoln 21 Nov 17 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
We've gone from one poster saying the police do nothing to another saying they have the time and resources to persecute a group of people. There's only one group being persecuted here, and it's the ones doing something legal on private land. They aren't wearing red either so you haven't even looked at the story. The PCC for Sussex would be hard pressed to be in an old boys club too. I have looked at the story Sir and I also have experience of such persecution related to our local hunt. I am not a hunt saboteur but have witnessed how the police treat such people if they happen to be in attendance and it is in a pejorative manner irrespective of whether the saboteurs are acting illegally or not. The 'old boy reference was a euphemism for how societal establishments, such as the police,support certain segments of society over others.
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Nov 17 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Of course they can. If you rent a hotel room and someone else barges in to it can you not ask them to leave? The illegal part is the trespassing, even when it's accidental. Not that this was. So why can't you get rid of Travellers when they appear on your land, say for example a certain school playing field to the East of Croydon?
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| Stuk Top half 21 Nov 17 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by Direwolf
I have looked at the story Sir and I also have experience of such persecution related to our local hunt. I am not a hunt saboteur but have witnessed how the police treat such people if they happen to be in attendance and it is in a pejorative manner irrespective of whether the saboteurs are acting illegally or not. The 'old boy reference was a euphemism for how societal establishments, such as the police,support certain segments of society over others. If the police were persecuting them they'd be shutting the saboteurs down preemptively. I don't blame them for being pejorative to people who are wasting their time, not doing as they're told to and are harassing people doing something legal. Our resident hol policeman can answer your other claims.
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| Stuk Top half 21 Nov 17 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So why can't you get rid of Travellers when they appear on your land, say for example a certain school playing field to the East of Croydon? He said "ask", not "get rid of", and there's nothing to stop you asking them either.
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| Mapletree Croydon 21 Nov 17 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
He said "ask", not "get rid of", and there's nothing to stop you asking them either. Well, actually, the School was told it couldn't ask them to leave. That was viewed as harassment apparently.
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