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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Nov 17 12.21am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Hopefully the whole EU will fall apart pretty soon. First Brexit, then Catalunya, and who next ? Greece, italy, ireland, portugal ? Rutland?
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Shizzlehurst 15 Nov 17 12.21am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Hopefully the whole EU will fall apart pretty soon. First Brexit, then Catalunya, and who next ? Greece, italy, ireland, portugal ?

Rutland?

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becky over the moon 15 Nov 17 8.21am
Originally posted by nickgusset Rutland? No, Rutland will be just as fine as it was pre-civil war............. it really hasn't ever changed that much A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 15 Nov 17 8.21am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Rutland?

No, Rutland will be just as fine as it was pre-civil war............. it really hasn't ever changed that much

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Nov 17 9.28am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Have you been frozen in time or something? The USSR became extinct nearly 30 years ago. What year is it Chez Hedgie? 1984? Mod Warning - No Sniping. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Nov 17 9.28am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Have you been frozen in time or something? The USSR became extinct nearly 30 years ago. What year is it Chez Hedgie? 1984?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Nov 17 9.30am
Originally posted by pefwin Typical mealy mouth right talk, stand up for what you believe rather than talking in euphemism, new alt-right vocabulary, and metaphor. I truly have never reported, anyone for a heart given post like Horlf's racism even though some no longer admit the posts. The true [applauded] honesty allows actual debate rather than this constant toing and throwing with people worried about a yellow card. When I say the above I not talking about trolling by Matt and SS, but true debate about race. After all, these traits show in many cultures, e.g. Japan, India, and dare I say Burma. The saddest fact about the right at least on here is that it seems none actually have Cojones to get up, stand up. Mod Warning - No Sniping. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Nov 17 9.30am

Originally posted by pefwin

Typical mealy mouth right talk, stand up for what you believe rather than talking in euphemism, new alt-right vocabulary, and metaphor.

I truly have never reported, anyone for a heart given post like Horlf's racism even though some no longer admit the posts.

The true [applauded] honesty allows actual debate rather than this constant toing and throwing with people worried about a yellow card.

When I say the above I not talking about trolling by Matt and SS, but true debate about race.

After all, these traits show in many cultures, e.g. Japan, India, and dare I say Burma.

The saddest fact about the right at least on here is that it seems none actually have Cojones to get up, stand up.

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"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 17 9.33am
Christopher was much more charismatic and....well right on religion. Still, his brother has a good brain, and like his brother, can cut through a lot of the meaningless warm worded rot that takes the place of politics today. Too socially conservative for me and of course he's religious....But he believes in the usefulness of British culture....well diminishing parts of it at least.....So I think he has good intentions. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2017 9.33am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Nov 17 9.33am

Christopher was much more charismatic and....well right on religion. Still, his brother has a good brain, and like his brother, can cut through a lot of the meaningless warm worded rot that takes the place of politics today.

Too socially conservative for me and of course he's religious....But he believes in the usefulness of British culture....well diminishing parts of it at least.....So I think he has good intentions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2017 9.33am)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Nov 17 9.37am
Civil war in the UK, sounds difficult, given that less than 1% of the UK has access to firearms outside of the Military. I guess it could be all 'hand to hand' fighting and stabbing, but would anyone notice until Sunday if it all kicked off an a Friday. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Nov 17 9.37am

Civil war in the UK, sounds difficult, given that less than 1% of the UK has access to firearms outside of the Military.

I guess it could be all 'hand to hand' fighting and stabbing, but would anyone notice until Sunday if it all kicked off an a Friday.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Nov 17 10.06am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Civil war in the UK, sounds difficult, given that less than 1% of the UK has access to firearms outside of the Military. I guess it could be all 'hand to hand' fighting and stabbing, but would anyone notice until Sunday if it all kicked off an a Friday. That would change very quickly if it kicked off and there was money to be made. And there would be a lot. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 15 Nov 17 10.06am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Civil war in the UK, sounds difficult, given that less than 1% of the UK has access to firearms outside of the Military.

I guess it could be all 'hand to hand' fighting and stabbing, but would anyone notice until Sunday if it all kicked off an a Friday.

That would change very quickly if it kicked off and there was money to be made. And there would be a lot.

Big chest and massive boobs

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 15 Nov 17 10.23am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Hopefully the whole EU will fall apart pretty soon. First Brexit, then Catalunya, and who next ? Greece, italy, ireland, portugal ? The next phase of the EU falling apart won't happen for about 4 or 5 years now, when the next round of meaningful general elections take place (Holland, France, Germany etc etc). By that time the world will have entered, and may still be in, recession, but this time the Eurosceptics will be the main opposition parties in these countries. As we know, it's far easier being in opposition whoever you are, and the electorate will look for a change that will promise a cure for the(then) recessionary ills. By then, too, the UK will be out (possibly), and so from wherever it is in the pecking order globally will be able to look on as Eurozone Crisis Part 2 takes grip. Should be interesting. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 15 Nov 17 10.23am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Hopefully the whole EU will fall apart pretty soon. First Brexit, then Catalunya, and who next ? Greece, italy, ireland, portugal ?

The next phase of the EU falling apart won't happen for about 4 or 5 years now, when the next round of meaningful general elections take place (Holland, France, Germany etc etc). By that time the world will have entered, and may still be in, recession, but this time the Eurosceptics will be the main opposition parties in these countries. As we know, it's far easier being in opposition whoever you are, and the electorate will look for a change that will promise a cure for the(then) recessionary ills.

By then, too, the UK will be out (possibly), and so from wherever it is in the pecking order globally will be able to look on as Eurozone Crisis Part 2 takes grip.

Should be interesting.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Nov 17 10.28am
The only 'Civil War' I am likely to see is an enactment of a battle in the English Civil War by the 'Sealed Knot' And don't ask if I am a 'Cavalier' or 'Roundhead' !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Nov 17 10.28am

The only 'Civil War' I am likely to see is an enactment of a battle in the English Civil War by the 'Sealed Knot'
And don't ask if I am a 'Cavalier' or 'Roundhead' !

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 17 10.34am
Whether or not different groups muster enough support for significant violence comes down to the same factors it always has in history. We already have political violence here in the name of Islamism where the state combat them and other groups by spending considerable resources. But civil war requires an economic breakdown with a loss of central authority and regular attacks by one community upon another. The middle class are far too comfortable to become radical.....Still, if their comfortable little worlds fall around them. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2017 10.36am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Nov 17 10.34am

Whether or not different groups muster enough support for significant violence comes down to the same factors it always has in history.

We already have political violence here in the name of Islamism where the state combat them and other groups by spending considerable resources.

But civil war requires an economic breakdown with a loss of central authority and regular attacks by one community upon another.

The middle class are far too comfortable to become radical.....Still, if their comfortable little worlds fall around them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2017 10.36am)

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Lyons550 Shirley 15 Nov 17 11.29am
Originally posted by Kermit8 The key word you missed out is 'massive'. He said 'massive turmoil'. Let's hope he is wrong on that though he isn't the most irrational chap around is he? ...but clearly as I said...as to how big a 'turmoil' it will ultimately be will be down to the planning in advance... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 15 Nov 17 11.29am

Originally posted by Kermit8

The key word you missed out is 'massive'. He said 'massive turmoil'. Let's hope he is wrong on that though he isn't the most irrational chap around is he?

...but clearly as I said...as to how big a 'turmoil' it will ultimately be will be down to the planning in advance...

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Nov 17 2.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Whether or not different groups muster enough support for significant violence comes down to the same factors it always has in history. We already have political violence here in the name of Islamism where the state combat them and other groups by spending considerable resources. But civil war requires an economic breakdown with a loss of central authority and regular attacks by one community upon another. The middle class are far too comfortable to become radical.....Still, if their comfortable little worlds fall around them. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2017 10.36am) Usually a civil war really flares where the military are ordered to act against the citizens of a country, and portions of it rebel. That tends to be what kicks protests and revolutions into a civil conflict. Usually civil wars that don't have a schism in the military are brief affairs unless there has been some kind of long term 'insurrection' in place. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 15 Nov 17 2.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Whether or not different groups muster enough support for significant violence comes down to the same factors it always has in history.

We already have political violence here in the name of Islamism where the state combat them and other groups by spending considerable resources.

But civil war requires an economic breakdown with a loss of central authority and regular attacks by one community upon another.

The middle class are far too comfortable to become radical.....Still, if their comfortable little worlds fall around them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2017 10.36am)

Usually a civil war really flares where the military are ordered to act against the citizens of a country, and portions of it rebel. That tends to be what kicks protests and revolutions into a civil conflict. Usually civil wars that don't have a schism in the military are brief affairs unless there has been some kind of long term 'insurrection' in place.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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