Crossed wires then. I'm arguing with you and rattus because neither of you can see what is front of you. The bloke lied about 'gradual and results', got the job, lied again about 'gradual and results', lied some more we suit 3-4-3, kept lying, lost 4 league games to nil and is out on his &Arsenal and £2 mil richer.

That's it. You can't see it. God knows why. Don't want to probably.

COYP

There's no way anyone can really judge the situation, because none of us were involved and we don't know what will happen now. There were obviously problems from both sides. Even after nearly a week I still don't really know how to feel about it.

You can argue Parish made a mistake with the appointment, but at the same time FdB changed his tune almost immediately after he was appointed which was strange.

Does Parish meddle? Maybe, but at the same time weren't we all grateful when we changed to a back four? In which case maybe it was actually necessary for him to get involved?

The timing was weird yes, but it's so hard to judge. If we criticise Parish for the appointment, should we credit him for rectifying it? If he gave Pardew too long is it good he cut it short? Who knows, time will tell with our finishing position this season. If FDB couldn't work with these players, then maybe it is the right call to put the 'evolution' on hold, bring in some more 'expansive' players and then try again.

Frank talked about a long term plan, but their was little evidence of that. We spent it playing Luka and Ward in the back three and then changed it for the first game, and threw in a new player who'd barely met his team mates. Dann started the game next to two young players making their debut, one who had never played in England and one who had only just joined the club. In front of him we had Ward and Luka playing in completely different positions to those they had practiced. That woes a worrying sign, but then again after the Huddersfield game what really killed us was stupid individual errors, not bad tactics necessarily?

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Individual errors come from poor preparation. In anything. You can point the finger at individuals for making them but when it is a common occurrence then you have to start looking the training and drills leading up to it.

Like

Ward being discarded one day and selected the next.

Luka playing his 2nd game as a def mid v Liverpool since mid May.

Kelly being sent to the youngsters and then being called back in need for Swansea, only to fvck up.

That type of inspirational man management you mean? I reckon by the time November came he would've played every player on the back of the programme. All 40 odd of them.

COYP

Rudi you have no idea what Frank said during the ridiculously long recruitment process. He is Frank De Boer - he has been around the block a bit and has worked with some top managers, and got the Inter Job on the back of a very good reputation as a player and coach alike. Parish got stars in his eyes thinking about Swansea and Southampton, and went out and hired a manager who made his name of playing patient possession style football, with strong technical players - perfect fit for Palace dont you think? What do you mean by his "real intentions"? Dont you think he wanted to be successful at this club and win games? On the flip side we can only guess at what Parish told FdB in the interview process, but I doubt it was - we wont sign a backup striker or keeper in the transfer window, and will fart around on Sakho until the last minute clouding and disrupting our ability to do other deals. I would rather look at the architect of this situation, Mr Parish. Its one thing to make a bit of a mistake after spending 33 days hiring a manager, but this is an absolute howler of epic proportions. If after all of this time, he can make a clanger like that, I dont really trust him to run the club tbh. What would I propose I hear you cry - I propose he finds a suitable buyer and sells up. I know De Boer didnt help himself but there is something rotten at the club and the way things are being done at the minute.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

yes that's exactly what i mean. Somewhere along the line the team weren't being prepared for matches properly. Where the responsibility lies for that? Normally the manager.