Yes he did, slimey toad, - he said "I haven't seen anyone prepared to see children groomed and raped." He was trying to alter the meaning and context of my post.

Edited by hedgehog50 (18 Aug 2017 7.42am)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

You mean where you said: "You can't equate the 2. The rhetoric is that all pakistani men should be viewed with suspicion. That's like saying all white men should be viewed with suspicion because of the crimes of Jimmy Seville at al."

So you don't accept that as Sarah Champion said: "Britain has a problem with British pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls".
I know that opinion is divided on the question, one or two people like you don't think there is a problem, the rest of the world do.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

"I understand what Sarah Champion meant and it's a valid argument."

By 'understand' and 'valid argument' do you mean that you agree with her that "Britain has a problem with British pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls"?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

There have many convictions of gangs, of mainly pakistani 'heritage' men along with other people of foreign heritage, for the grooming and rape of literally thousands of white children, notably in: Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford, Bristol, Aylesbury, Peterborough and Newcastle.
Just how many thousands of white children raped and just how many convicted people of pakistani heritage would it take you to admit that, as Sarah Champion said, "Britain has a problem with British pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls"?
She did not "overstep the mark in demonising pakistani men", she merely pointed out what is in front of everyone's noses and she has had to resign because of it. Something to bear in mind at the next election when there could be a danger of electing a party leadership that is prepared to ignore an obvious and serious problem simply to support their misplaced belief in multi-culturalism.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

I agree with Champion, Britain does have a problem with predominantly pakistani gangs raping & pimping out non Muslim girls on a near industrial scale.

It's all part of Islamic culture, there's no easy or comfortable lefty solution to this.

Plenty of former Muslims have spoken out about the goings on but it largely gets ignored as we can't have a violent minority flare up when their culture is challenged.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Lets delve a little deeper into this problem.

Mohammed himself captured,enslaved/married & raped two women,safiyah & juraiwah?
Google it.

The hadiths are absolutely chock full of verses permitting the rape/slavery/prostitution/trading of women, in fact the only kafir women that seem to escape such a fate were pregnant ones, every other poor f***er who happened to have their villages raided suffered the same fate.

Now let's fast forward to modern times, currently there are some 30,000,000 people in some form of slavery.

The biggest offender is Mauritania a sub Saharan Muslim country with approximately 1 in 20 people there being a slave, following on from this is swathe of Islamic countries, for balance a special mention also goes to Eastern Europe who have considerable sex slave issues.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (19 Aug 2017 7.20pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.